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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2026 15:36
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exception for green dome

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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2026 16:17
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@ akbar703. Did you purchase a new Lamborghini which ranges from about ₹4.18 Crore in India?
@ Muadh_Khan. Did you purcahse the Lamborghini in the USA which ranges from about $230,000?

Answer from both of you will be; No!

Therefore, you both saved so much money, proving my statement to be correct even though it has nothing to do with anything.

Same as this and many other threads/posts.

On the other hand, IF you had the money and went to buy such a car for such a price and you DIDN'T buy at the last minute, then the statement will hold some validity.

Point is, it's semantices. and that's how politics work and that's how claims can be made.

Until there is documented evidence from officials, any claims can be held accountable.
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2026 16:41
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Agree yet some history is good to know :)

My claim and addition to this thread :(
8. Abu Mohammed (British born - father from India, mother from Pakistan and their parents all Indian)

Abu Mohammed has over 7.9 Million views on the Makkah News thread and almost 1.3 million views on the History of Makkah and Madinah History thread all dedicated to the service of the Haramain.



We do what we can, be it Indian, Pakistani, Arab or English. An important lesson we forget is that once upon a time WE RULED INDIA! www.muftisays.com/forums/14-peoples-say/12969-who-does-in...

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2026 16:46
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This is translated from the urdu book "marak e makkah". The text is taken from diary of Shabbeer ahmed usmani, recorded in the book "kamalat e usmani" read from pg.349


is this reference acceptable..

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This is from speech delivered by Shabbir Ahmed Uthmani RA

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As for the issue of demolishing domes: even if their construction was not proper, we do not consider their demolition to be right either.

The Commander of the Faithful, Walid bin Abdul-Malik, sent an order to the governor of Madinah, Umar bin Abdul-Aziz RA, to demolish the blessed chambers of the Mothers of the Believers in order to expand the Prophet's Mosque; while demolishing the other chambers, Umar bin Abdul-Aziz RA also demolished the chamber of the Mother of the Believers, Aisha Siddiqa RA . Consequently, the graves of the Prophet SAS, Abu Bakr al-Siddiq RA, and Umar al-Faruq RA were exposed...

At that moment, Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz RA wept so profusely that he had never been seen crying like that before—even though he himself had issued the order to demolish the chambers. He subsequently ordered the reconstruction of Sayyida Aisha’s RA chamber, and that blessed chamber was rebuilt. My purpose in recounting this is not to encourage the construction of domes over graves; rather, it is to illustrate the profound impact and resonance that the graves of great figures hold in people's hearts—a fact evident from Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz’s RA uncontrollable weeping and the displeasure expressed by the Muslim world at that time.
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2026 16:47
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I have no idea what you are saying and I am completely lost!

But in Islam if I say/write:

  1. Abu Mohammad writes in "ABC" on Page 3
  2. IF afterwards it is categorically proven that Abu Mohammad either never wrote "ABC" or what he wrote on Page 3 is totally opposite
  3. It is Waajib obligatory upon me to retract OR the least I should do is explain
  4. It is your job to put an end to these constant lies.


I don't know what Lamborghini issue is about and I don't know what I said, where and how
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2026 16:50
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Don't worry about the money I saved you ;)

I get your point and I get akbar703's point too. A difference of opinion where one is using facts and the other is using second hand facts.
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2026 16:53
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This is translated from the urdu book "marak e makkah". The text is taken from diary of Shabbeer ahmed usmani, recorded in the book "kamalat e usmani" read from pg.349


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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2026 16:56
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What point do you get??? What point are you getting that nobody including Saudi Government and South African Ulama have not gotten?

There is no mention of Green dome in any speech of Allamah Shabbir Ahmad Usmani (RA)? Even if we accept that these speeches took place?

There are multiple versions, dates, texts but none of them mention the Green dome at all!

South African Ulama also deny any mention of the Greendome

Askimam wrote:
...While all these angles to the arguments were discussed, the books do not make any mention of the Green Dome...


So what are you getting???

The issue is about building domes and structure over ordinary graves.

  1. Both Saudi and Deobandi Ulama consider it incorrect and against Sunnah
  2. Saudi Ulama consider it permissible to demolish it
  3. Deobandi Ulama consider it incorrect to demolish it


I am choosing the words carefully...
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2026 17:06
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Demolition of Domes in Baqi was before 1927 CE or after?

If it is before 1927 what was the agenda for the conference in 1927.

Whether it was to take permission from world community to demolish Green dome? Or Read the pulse of Muslims.

Why did shabbeer usmani RA quote the incident of Umar bin Abdul Azeez? To save the green dome.
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