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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 14:16
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It dents our Aqeedah when we discuss:

  • Shahadath of Hazrath Usman RA
  • Battle of Siffin
  • Battle of Jamal
  • Battle of karbala
  • Hajjaj bin yusuf's attack on Makkah etc.

Without citing them Azad cannot be defended.

We give priority to safeguard our Aqeedah over defending Azad.
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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 14:31
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I don't even know what you are saying???

When did I ask you to discuss Aqeedah???

What are you talking about???

Show me where I am asking you to discuss anything like this?

Write in Urdu or whatever language you are comfortable in, you are not making any sense whatsoever...

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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 14:41
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Read this again:

It dents our Aqeedah when we discuss:

  • Shahadath of Hazrath Usman RA
  • Battle of Siffin
  • Battle of Jamal
  • Battle of karbala
  • Hajjaj bin yusuf's attack on Makkah etc.

Without citing the above incidents, Azad cannot be defended.

We give priority to safeguard our Aqeedah over defending Azad.
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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 14:52
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Urdu translation of above post, as requested by Uncle @muadh_khan

مندرجہ ذیل واقعات پر بحث کرنے سے ہمارے عقیدے پر زد پڑتی ہے:

حضرت عثمان (رضی اللہ عنہ) کی شہادت
جنگِ صفین
جنگِ جمل
جنگِ کربلا
حجاج بن یوسف کا مکہ پر حملہ وغیرہ۔

ان واقعات مشاجرات کا ذکر کیے بغیر آزاد کا دفاع ممکن نہیں۔

ہم آزاد کے دفاع کے مقابلے میں اپنے عقیدے کے تحفظ کو ترجیح دیتے ہیں۔
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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 15:17
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جب میں نے یہ عنوان اٹھایا ہی نہیں تو آپ بات کیا کر رہے ہو؟ میرے سوال کا ان باتوں سے کوئ تعلق ہی نہیں
سوال ایران، جواب توران
آپ نے خود ہی ایک بات نکالی، پھر خود ہی اسکو عقیدے سے جوڈا اور پھر خود ہی اس سے برأت اختیار کر لی۔.
میں نے نہ اس قسم کی کوئ بات کہی نہ جواب مانگا.
آپ نے خود ہی کہانی بنائ، خود ہی انگلیاں کانپی، خود ہی گبھراۓ
آپ یا تو مسلمان نہیں ہو یا کوئ نفسیاتی مسئلہ ہے، میرا سوال تو سیدھا ہے



  1. I never asked an Aqeedah question
  2. I never discussed Sahaba (RA)
  3. He inserted Aqeedah and Sahaba (RA) himself into the conversation
  4. Then refused to answer it himself
  5. Then his own fingers started trembling


My question which has nothing to do with Aqeedah or Sahaba (RA) is still here and is is from 1187


Forget Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz (RA) and even Ottomans until 1924! Let me take you in the middle of Islamic history

Salahuddin (RA):

  1. Nuruddin Zangi (RA): Turkoman Muslim who followed the Hanafi Madhab and Maturidi Aqeedah
  2. Salahuddin Ayyubi (RA): Kuridsh Muslim who followed the Shaf'ae Madhab and Ashari Aqeedah
  3. Qadi al-Fadil (RA): Arab Egyptian Muslim who either leaves Shiasm or was a Sunni but leaves the Fatimid regime
  4. Baha' ad-Din ibn Shaddad: Arab-Iraqi Scholar, followed Shaf'ae Madhab and Ashari Aqeedah
  5. Ibn Qudamah (RA): Arab Palestinian Scholars who followed the Hanbali Madhab and Athari Aqeedah



If you have doubts about my quotes, ask me for evidence and I will also ask you for your evidence for your quotes.

Please explain what made all these people join up to defend Al-Aqsa and fight against Crusaders when they came from dustant lands, ethnicity, languages, color, etc?

Take your time, use every tool at your disposal including AI and then explain this as it seems to be completely against

Quote:
Mr. Jinnah and his followers did not seem to realize that geography was against them. Muslims in undivided India were distributed in a way which made it impossible to form a separate state in a consolidated area. The Muslim majority areas were on the north-west and the north-east. These two regions have no point of physical contact. People in these two areas arc completely different from one another in every respect, except only in religion. It is one of the greatest frauds on the people to suggest that religious affinity can unite areas which are geographically, economically, linguistically and culturally different. It is true that Islam sought to establish a society which transcends racial, linguistic, economic and political frontiers. History has however proved that after the first few decades, or at most after the first century, Islam was not able to unite all the Muslim countries into one State on the basis of Islam alone.

This was the position in the past and this is the position today.



Clearly Islam was not failing to unite in 1187!

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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 15:22
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Regardless of what people would have said to him, wouldn't it have been more prudent to say "your interpretation of Islam" than to give a statement that is tantamount to kufr and is causing all this confusion years later?
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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 15:23
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Let me speak to you like a 5 year old child.


Answer this:

Whether discussing the incidents in my earlier post dents my aqeedah or not?
if your reply is YES THEN:
Without discussing those incidents, I can't reply to your queries.
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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 15:25
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Not answered. Prompted me to find an old post. We shouldn't assume, but I would say there's a fat chance
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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 15:31
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At that time, Azad was grappling with an extremely grave situation; he was dissuading a large population from taking a decision as catastrophic as suicide.

As I have previously mentioned, there is a sermon by Azad on the theme that "Islam is the standard-bearer of unity" (or Pan-Islamism/universal Islamic unity), which is included in *Khutbat-e-Azad*.
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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 15:41
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  • Rasul-ullah ﷺ passed away in 632
  • Sayyiduna Ali (RA) passed away in 661
  • Sayyiduna Muwawiyah (RA) passed away in 681
  • Sayyiduna Abu al-Tufayl Amir (RA) the last Sahabi (RA) passed away in 732
  • Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) passed away in 767
  • Imam Bukhari (RA) passed away in 870



My question is from 1187! How is a question from more than 500 years later, related to your Aqeedah?

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Forget Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz (RA) and even Ottomans until 1924! Let me take you in the middle of Islamic history

Salahuddin (RA):

  1. Nuruddin Zangi (RA): Turkoman Muslim who followed the Hanafi Madhab and Maturidi Aqeedah
  2. Salahuddin Ayyubi (RA): Kuridsh Muslim who followed the Shaf'ae Madhab and Ashari Aqeedah
  3. Qadi al-Fadil (RA): Arab Egyptian Muslim who either leaves Shiasm or was a Sunni but leaves the Fatimid regime
  4. Baha' ad-Din ibn Shaddad: Arab-Iraqi Scholar, followed Shaf'ae Madhab and Ashari Aqeedah
  5. Ibn Qudamah (RA): Arab Palestinian Scholars who followed the Hanbali Madhab and Athari Aqeedah



If you have doubts about my quotes, ask me for evidence and I will also ask you for your evidence for your quotes.

Please explain what made all these people join up to defend Al-Aqsa and fight against Crusaders when they came from dustant lands, ethnicity, languages, color, etc?

Take your time, use every tool at your disposal including AI and then explain this as it seems to be completely against

Quote:
Mr. Jinnah and his followers did not seem to realize that geography was against them. Muslims in undivided India were distributed in a way which made it impossible to form a separate state in a consolidated area. The Muslim majority areas were on the north-west and the north-east. These two regions have no point of physical contact. People in these two areas arc completely different from one another in every respect, except only in religion. It is one of the greatest frauds on the people to suggest that religious affinity can unite areas which are geographically, economically, linguistically and culturally different. It is true that Islam sought to establish a society which transcends racial, linguistic, economic and political frontiers. History has however proved that after the first few decades, or at most after the first century, Islam was not able to unite all the Muslim countries into one State on the basis of Islam alone.

This was the position in the past and this is the position today.



Clearly Islam was not failing to unite in 1187!

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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 15:51
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I cannot discuss the events of the first century of the Hijra; doing so would undermine my Aqeedah.

Without discussing those events, I cannot defend Azad’s statement that "Islam alone cannot keep [the region] united." This point is made by Azad in the context of the claim by sub continent muslims that Islam would keep East and West Pakistan united. Keeping them united was impossible from geographical and ethnic standpoints.
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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 16:03
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What is the meaning of century? Do you understand what the word means???

Never asked you to discuss anything or even brought anything from first 500 years of Islam!


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  • Rasul-ullah ﷺ passed away in 632
  • Sayyiduna Ali (RA) passed away in 661
  • Sayyiduna Muwawiyah (RA) passed away in 681
  • Sayyiduna Abu al-Tufayl Amir (RA) the last Sahabi (RA) passed away in 732
  • Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) passed away in 767
  • Imam Bukhari (RA) passed away in 870



My question is from 1187! How is a question from more than 500 years later, related to your Aqeedah?

akbar703 wrote:
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Forget Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz (RA) and even Ottomans until 1924! Let me take you in the middle of Islamic history

Salahuddin (RA):

  1. Nuruddin Zangi (RA): Turkoman Muslim who followed the Hanafi Madhab and Maturidi Aqeedah
  2. Salahuddin Ayyubi (RA): Kuridsh Muslim who followed the Shaf'ae Madhab and Ashari Aqeedah
  3. Qadi al-Fadil (RA): Arab Egyptian Muslim who either leaves Shiasm or was a Sunni but leaves the Fatimid regime
  4. Baha' ad-Din ibn Shaddad: Arab-Iraqi Scholar, followed Shaf'ae Madhab and Ashari Aqeedah
  5. Ibn Qudamah (RA): Arab Palestinian Scholars who followed the Hanbali Madhab and Athari Aqeedah



If you have doubts about my quotes, ask me for evidence and I will also ask you for your evidence for your quotes.

Please explain what made all these people join up to defend Al-Aqsa and fight against Crusaders when they came from dustant lands, ethnicity, languages, color, etc?

Take your time, use every tool at your disposal including AI and then explain this as it seems to be completely against

Quote:
Mr. Jinnah and his followers did not seem to realize that geography was against them. Muslims in undivided India were distributed in a way which made it impossible to form a separate state in a consolidated area. The Muslim majority areas were on the north-west and the north-east. These two regions have no point of physical contact. People in these two areas arc completely different from one another in every respect, except only in religion. It is one of the greatest frauds on the people to suggest that religious affinity can unite areas which are geographically, economically, linguistically and culturally different. It is true that Islam sought to establish a society which transcends racial, linguistic, economic and political frontiers. History has however proved that after the first few decades, or at most after the first century, Islam was not able to unite all the Muslim countries into one State on the basis of Islam alone.

This was the position in the past and this is the position today.



Clearly Islam was not failing to unite in 1187!

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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 16:26
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you ask: My question is from 1187! How is a question from more than 500 years later, related to your Aqeedah?

My reply: To answer your question regarding 1187, I would have to refer to events from the first century (Hijri)—something I ought not to do.
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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 16:39
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Absolutely nothing to do with Aqeedah or Sahaba (RA) or first 500 years of Islam.

akbar703 wrote:
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  • Rasul-ullah ﷺ passed away in 632
  • Sayyiduna Ali (RA) passed away in 661
  • Sayyiduna Muwawiyah (RA) passed away in 681
  • Sayyiduna Abu al-Tufayl Amir (RA) the last Sahabi (RA) passed away in 732
  • Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) passed away in 767
  • Imam Bukhari (RA) passed away in 870



My question is from 1187! How is a question from more than 500 years later, related to your Aqeedah?

akbar703 wrote:
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Forget Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz (RA) and even Ottomans until 1924! Let me take you in the middle of Islamic history

Salahuddin (RA):

  1. Nuruddin Zangi (RA): Turkoman Muslim who followed the Hanafi Madhab and Maturidi Aqeedah
  2. Salahuddin Ayyubi (RA): Kuridsh Muslim who followed the Shaf'ae Madhab and Ashari Aqeedah
  3. Qadi al-Fadil (RA): Arab Egyptian Muslim who either leaves Shiasm or was a Sunni but leaves the Fatimid regime
  4. Baha' ad-Din ibn Shaddad: Arab-Iraqi Scholar, followed Shaf'ae Madhab and Ashari Aqeedah
  5. Ibn Qudamah (RA): Arab Palestinian Scholars who followed the Hanbali Madhab and Athari Aqeedah



If you have doubts about my quotes, ask me for evidence and I will also ask you for your evidence for your quotes.

Please explain what made all these people join up to defend Al-Aqsa and fight against Crusaders when they came from dustant lands, ethnicity, languages, color, etc?

Take your time, use every tool at your disposal including AI and then explain this as it seems to be completely against

Quote:
Mr. Jinnah and his followers did not seem to realize that geography was against them. Muslims in undivided India were distributed in a way which made it impossible to form a separate state in a consolidated area. The Muslim majority areas were on the north-west and the north-east. These two regions have no point of physical contact. People in these two areas arc completely different from one another in every respect, except only in religion. It is one of the greatest frauds on the people to suggest that religious affinity can unite areas which are geographically, economically, linguistically and culturally different. It is true that Islam sought to establish a society which transcends racial, linguistic, economic and political frontiers. History has however proved that after the first few decades, or at most after the first century, Islam was not able to unite all the Muslim countries into one State on the basis of Islam alone.

This was the position in the past and this is the position today.



Clearly Islam was not failing to unite in 1187!

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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 5th August 2026 16:44
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Absolutely nothing to do with Aqeedah or Sahaba (RA) or first 500 years of Islam.


First, we must discuss the first century hijri; after that, we can move on to the fifth century hijri.

However, we should not debate the events of the first century hijri. We are bound by our Aqeedah.
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