Lessons to be learnt by muslims in the west from Indian muslims experiences

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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 15:02

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No! Shaitan is the most patient one of us all. He will wait our entire life to mislead us in the end. It is delusional to think what you were thinking when the Quran is very very clear!

Indians talk more about Salman Khan than Salman al-Farsi! Think about that.

The names on the youth is not Umar or Uthman, it's Sachin & Dhoni.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 16:01

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How do muslims live in the west as Minority
Dayar e gair mein rahne wale musalmanoen se khitab
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 16:09

Sorry I’m just curious. Did someone actually get caught doing drugs?

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 16:14

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English Translation of the whole book:

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 17:28

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Jazakallahu khair for uploading this book in English. I was attempting to translate the book....

In this book, I didn't read words like "hate them", "disobey them"....

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 18:01

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No!..Muadh it seems has decided to replace his favourite insult of
"Jack Ass", with "druggie", although I personally think the former old fashioned insult had a greater sense of nostalgia attached to it.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 18:05

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“There is nothing in our book, the Koran, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. That’s a good religion.”
— “Message to the Grass Roots,” speech, Nov. 1963, Detroit (published in Malcolm X Speaks, ch. 1, 1965).

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 18:16

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We take it as elder brother's joke.......

We salute him for the knowledge he has acquired.

He is compared with a Hafiz reciting Quran in taraweeh, and we as Saamae (listener), who corrects the hafiz (negligible instances). A listener can't be compared with a haafiz in the mehraab.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 18:31

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ulema say "Where there is no clear nass (authentic reference) on a matter under discussion, difference of opinion exists. No harm there". "Absolute opposition is wrong"

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 18:35

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the period under Hajjaj bin yusuf and Yazeed, Abdullah ibn Umar RA and other senior Sahabah silently suffered.
While Hazrath Hussain RA and sayeed ibn Jubayr RA and others preferred martyrdom.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 19th June 2026 18:49

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As for the topic of this thread, it is based on a false premise, false assumption.

I put it to you if the Muslims in India, were dominating the fields of Science, medicine, engineering, business, trade, contributing through charitable works etc.

The outcome would have been the same as you are seeing today. There situation would be the same...

Only the propaganda against Muslims would be packaged differently. The Muslims would be accused of building their success at the expense of the majority, and if seeking to dominate the majority community. By being over representative in various fields.

We have seen that over the course of the last 100 years, how successful minority communities, become a cause for grievance to the majority. Even amongst the Indian Diaspora, in East Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Burma they faced communal violence and expulsion for being too successful.

The lessons we should have been learning is not from India. But Islamic Spain, from Cordoba, and Grenada and Al Andalus and the Iberian peninsula.
How did one of the most successful communities,both vast contribution in every single field, end up perishing...

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You and the Ulama who are proposing these solutions should both place the drugs aside, sober up and then refer the Qu'raan and the Sunnah and you will find guidance.

Ruling during Hajjaj Ibn Yusuf (RA) and other Tyrants:

The reason Ulama opposed civil disobedience and mass uprising during the rule of Hajjaj Ibn Yusuf (RA) and other oppressive rulers is because it is the command of Allah Ta'ala and Nabi ﷺ to obey rulers even if they beat and oppress you.

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UNLESS they apostate from Islam and thus revoke their right to be obeyed. Notice the Hadeeth above clearly states that obedience should be in "pleasure or "displeasure" and in other narrations even if they whip your back with lashes!

Mahatma Gandhi on the other hand was a Mushrik pervert and weirdo!

When the support for a Hindu Mushrik pervert weirdo from "Ulama" became too much Hazrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) and others rightly chastised them and broke ranks and openly revolted against this non-sense.

You guys try to hide it as a simple "difference of opinion" when Hazrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) clearly and vocally bristles with the indignation of applyication verses of the Qur'aan and Ahadeeth towards loyalty to Hindus. Those who don't know Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) even wrote that after Allah and Rasool ﷺ Mahatma Gandhi should be obeyed!

Those who don't know, cannot understand how deep the indoctrination of subservient goes for Indian Muslims, there are "Indian Ulama" who tried to change the interpretation of the Qu'raan and regard Hindus (Mushriks) as Ahlul-Kitaab (people of the book) and these subservient Indian Muslims merely brush this aside as "difference of opinion".

The people of Makkah were also Mushriks (idol worshipers) but there isn't a single shred of evidence to support:

Their stature or equivalence as "Ahlul-Kitaab"
Their obedience to be commanded as "oppressive" Muslim rulers

So generations of Indian Ulama have brainwashed these Indian Muslims into thinking that they are being rewarded in being beaten, thrown out of their homes and their women being raped by Mushrik Hindus, the Palestinians do not believe that they are commanded by Allah and Rasool ﷺ to be patient and subservient to Israeli oppression.

Darul-uloom Deoband (people who now belong to all 3 of them) made a colossal and costly mistake and their positions should have been more robustly opposed back when they were proposing loyalty to Mushriks instead of being by one principle person i.e. Hazrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA).

Absolute Alliance and loyalty to Mushrik Hindus isn't a mere political position as correctly analyzed by Hazrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) but it is in stark and total opposition to Islam and its teachings.

It was from Allah Ta'ala that:

Shaykhul-Hind Mahmud Hasan Deobandi (RA) passed away in 1920
Hazrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) became old and then passed away in 1943

This "Hazrat worship" is a poison in Islam and those left behind were Seniors and thus never openly opposed but disagreed with in a hush hush low tone manner.

How Indian Ulama and Muslims rewrote History:

There were sincere Ulama who disagreed when the roots of the abject subservient and loyalty to Hindu Mushriks were put down by Ulama and one such person was Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri (RA) who was made to leave Darul-uloom Deoband, look at how the Indian Deobandees whitewash it for other Deobandees which was a colossal incident at that time:

Finally, in AH 1346, ʿAllāmah Kashmīrī completed his tenure at Dār al-ʿUlūm Deoband, after more than twenty years serving the seminary.

The Shaykhul-Hadeeth of Darul-uloom Deoband who was appointed in his position by elders just leaving isn't a simple event, he didn't just throw a hissyfit and then resigned! The idea of "resignation" let alone from Darul-uloom Deoband simply didn't exist back then!

Then we look at his major contemporaries, top students or those inspired by him

Hazrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA)
Dr Muhammad Allmah iqbal (RA)
Mufti Shabbir Usmani (RA)
Allamah Shabbir Usmani (RA)
Maulana Yusuf Binnuri (RA)

There was nothing wrong with temporary alliance with Hindu Mushriks to expel the British but these Ulama and non-Ulama firmly opposed those proposed, wrote, advocated and practiced subservience and preached loyalty to Hindu Mushriks which has now seeped into the DNA of the Indian Muslims.

Even a once Secular Muhammad Ali Jinnah (RA) saw it by merely associating with Hindus that they will betray Muslims and broke ranks, he didn't Qur'aan and Sunnah, he merely observed and deduced.

Wallahi! the situation of Indian Muslims is truly pathetic because they are physically, spiritually and mentally slaves to their oppressors and regard their subservience as an Islamic obligation while the Palestinian Muslims are being physically abused but Palestinians are not mentally subservient.

Also notice how rest of Indian Muslims disregard, loathe and hate the Kashmiri Muslims because they also are not mentally and spiritually to Hindu Mushriks, just because physically oppressed.

Notice the pattern of behavior of Indian Muslims:

Disregard the issue of Kashmir and what has been happening there for decades
Tell Pakistani Muslims to focus on Pakistan and that Pakistan is a failed state which it is

Those who are not close to "Ulama" have gotten to the root of and understood this problem in India and clearly seeing the issue and a prime example of that is Sharjeel Imam which the Indian Government will suppress at every cost because young men like him who can think will break down decades of lesson of servitude towards Hindu Mushriks carefully woven by Indian Ulama.

Today, other university graduate Indian Muslims like Sharjeel Imam are also discovering what Secular Muhammad Ali Jinnah (RA) also discovered.

Pakistan is a failed state and Afghanistan is a crazy basket case of weirdos Muslims of these places are not mentally subservient and slaves to Hindu Mushriks and neither are now Muslims of Bangladesh, over decades of experience the Muslims of Bangladesh have also evolved and arrived at an Islamic position and Allah Ta'ala meant it to be this way.

The question isn't about Pakistan, East Pakistan or Bangladesh, the question is about Islamic ideology and Islamic belief and there is no room for subservience to Mushriks in Islam.

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