Lessons to be learnt by muslims in the west from Indian muslims experiences

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 16:58

Let me warn the Muslims living in democratic secular western countries.

If the state offers freedom to you to follow 100% Islam, respect the state, live with harmony, honestly, efficiently, faithfulness, no dual personality behavior. Zealots misadventures shall boomerang, you will lose whatever religious freedom you have. The majority community will give back in return when it gets an opportunity, things will move very fast and out of control.

We Indian muslims misread the surrounding, we misused the religious freedom, as a result whatever is happening to Indian Muslims after 2014 is visible to entire world. Majority Hindus were waiting for an opportunity to respond, today is their day.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 17:08

Hindu Ideology:1926

What? To abduct and rape the womenfolk of the enemy, do you call it irreligious? It is Parodharmah [the greatest duty]!”

“If in the cattle-herds the number of oxen grows in excess of the cows, the herds do not grow numerically in a rapid number. But on the other hand, the number of animals in the herds, with the excess of cows over the oxen, grows in mathematical progression.”

“The souls of those millions of aggrieved women might have perhaps said ‘Do not forget, O Your Majesty Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj and O! Your Excellency Chimaji Appa, the unutterable atrocities and oppression and outrage committed on us by the sultans and Muslim noblemen and thousands of others, big and small.

“Let these sultans and their peers take a pledge that in the event of a Hindu victory our molestation and detestable lot shall be avenged on the Muslim women. Once they are haunted with this dreadful apprehension that the Muslim women too, stand in the same predicament in case the Hindus win, the future Muslim conquerors will never dare to think of such molestation of Hindu women [emphasis added].”

Reality of Indian Muslims:

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62574247

The government of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi approved the premature release of 11 men who were convicted for the gangrape of a pregnant Muslim woman and murder of 14 members of her family, including her three-year-old daughter, according to a court document.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 17:12

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When a secular non muslim government guarantees (freedom) right to muslims to practice 100% Islam, in return, how should the muslims respond

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 17:22

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It doesn't guarantee anything, you druggie!

It was written by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar in 1926 about raping Muslim women:

What? To abduct and rape the womenfolk of the enemy, do you call it irreligious? It is Parodharmah [the greatest duty]!”

The Ulama who trusted these people were:

Either ignorant of Hinduism despite living with them for centuries
OR totally incapable of predicting the future that when Hindus come to Power they will rape Muslim women
OR sold their souls for a petty gain

Either way, now in 2026 when you know Muslims are no longer safe in India, drug addicts like you should understand:

You can quit calling adhans, close the Mosques
You can shave your beards and women can take off their coverings
You can become vegetarians

Hindus will still not leave you alone!

Hindus will still hunt you, drive you out of your homes and kill you!

Your Ulama made a mistake and I am glad that younger Muslims clearly see and realize that they have no future with Hindus in power, there is no solution, no future, nothing.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 17:25

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 17:42

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First of all, in Islam you are supposed to be peaceful and not harm others regardless of what is happening around you so a Muslim does not harm an innocent civilian even during active war so your question is stupid to begin with so no matter what the Muslims are supposed to respond on kindness even during war.

Secondly, Knowing the track record of 1000 years and their hostility and they are about to come to Power you would be a druggie to believe any such guarantee!

IF they Implement a system where your religious practices are protected
THEN you are worry about what to do or what not to do.

You are a druggie who is asking but they promised me so I should prostrate to them on the basis of a Promise!

To a druggie like you, all you had was a "promise" and now in 2026 you don't even have a promise.

You Prostrated on the appeal of a Promise.
You are still in Prostration and even the Promise got taken away from you!

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 17:44

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OR totally incapable of predicting the future that when Hindus come to Power....

We are discussing how did a majority community living peacefully with harmony under a secular government chose to install a non-secular government. What is Indian muslims contribution to this.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 17:45

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Tell me O druggie

What is secularism?

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 17:50

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Reply to this specific question: No generic reply. Please.....
When a secular non muslim government guarantees (freedom) right to muslims to practice 100% Islam, in return, how should the muslims respond?

You call me a drugie.... It reflects your frustration, I enjoy it.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 17:51

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What is secularism?

I shall learn from you.... as a humble student.

Indian muslims enjoyed freedom to practice 100% Islam from 1947 to 2014 under secular government.............. pause!!

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 18:04

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Secularism brings laa-deeni. That is what we want laa deeni in majority non muslim community to allow minority to practice their religion.

after 2014 majority community has become deendaar (pious), they have withdrawn religious freedom from minority community.

So secularism is blessing for minorities.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 18:14

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You are a drug addict!

IF you don't know the definition of Secularism
THEN you are no position to know whether it is good or bad

ulama made a mistake on Secularism here is what it actually is

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eNao3ReV_4

This is exactly my point that Ulama made a colossal mistake in;

Understanding Hinduism despite living with them OR due to living with them for hundreds of years
Trusting Hindus and their "Promises"
Kept on doubling down (and still doing it) despite clear signs that it was a mistake

Now Indian Muslims like you are addicted to drugs and think that Muslims are responsible for their genocide because adhan is being done close to midnight!

Because drugs in your system are preventing you from opening your eyes and realizing that you have been hoodwinked and fooled.

Because Ulama chose to rely on "Politics" instead of Qur'aan and Sunnah because Allah Ta'ala told you clearly about Jews and Idolators (Hindus etc) in the Qur'aan that

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You are a Jaahil Drug addict!

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2026 18:16

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So secularism is blessing for minorities.

Secularism results in laa-deeni. That is what we want laa deeni in majority non muslim community to allow minority to practice their religion, 100%, although it hurts their religious feelings. They sacrifice their religious practices.

after 2014 majority community has become deendaar (pious), they have withdrawn religious freedom from minority community.

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