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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 15:03
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Assalamu Alaikum

The notion that only pious Muslims benefit from a Shaykh is not correct. There are lay people who have changed their lives after sitting in the Majalis of Shuyookh

The idea of correcting chronic sinners is not the intention of Tabligh at all. Nor is it the effort that goes out and makes contact with a lot of Muslims so the sinners correct themselves. The Work is done for islah of self only, without which intention one is advised not to take even one step in the Work of Tabligh.

When one goes out with this intention, coupled with his qurbani (sacrifice), the company he has gone out in (pious), he will develop a true yearning to correct himself further. Then he will seek out a pious Shaykh who will help him in this regard. Without the actual desire to correct one's self, one will not seek out a Shaykh.

When one spends more time in the Work of Tabligh, he will realize by sitting through talks and personal conversations that he has to learn Ilm, that he is deficient in Faraidh. Then he will seek out a pious Alim to learn the Deen.

In the course of his travels in Tabligh, he will realize he is deficient in Tajwid and he will seek out a pious Hafiz or Qari to help rectify his recital.

The purpose of Tabligh is going out and creating zeal in those who lack zeal of Imaan and Deen. Bring them to Masjid and let them spend time in Amals of Masjid until they are ready to give more time, 3 days or 40 days or 4 months.

Once they go in the right company, they will realize that they are deficient. Their deficiency in Tajwid, Tazkiya and Ta'leem is always there. They have to spend enough time to realize the gravity of it. When they realize, the Elders of Tabligh will direct them to such Qurra, Ulama or Mashaikh who can help them.

The notion that Tazkiya is present in Tabligh alone is a misconception that popped up during later times of the effort. For a few people, yes, they might get it done. But it is not general for all.

The Founder of Tabligh, Hadhrat Maulana Ilyas رحمة الله عليه has laid down what the Work is. He was helped by the Qutub ul Aqtab of his time, Hadhrat Shaykh ul Hadith Maulana Zakariya رحمة الله عليه. In my opinion, there is no one who can change the Objectives of the Work and what the Work is capable of and not after them.

I have seen mureeds of Shaykhs inviting people to the Majlis of their Shaykh and witnessed drug addicts leave addiction in just one Majlis and more. They don't do Ghast, but they invite others, so essentially they are doing Tabligh too.

Boasting about so and so being a mureed of one's Shaykh may be to draw attention to others to join. Same as is done when celebrities and Ulama join Tabligh

OP - forgive me for derailing the thread
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 15:10
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This is no doubt interesting, but a Salik should not focus on such matters instead he should focus on what his Shaykh prescribes him with. All stages will be traversed depending on the sincierity and sidq (truthfulness) of the mureed

Sometimes even a Shaykh is not aware of the different stages being traversed. The Journey of Sulook will begin when one closes the books and gets rid of all existing notions

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 15:25
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As much as one would like this to be true, it is not. Workers disrespected Ulama and Mashaikh from early as back in the time of Hadjratji Maulana Yusuf رحمة الله عليه. Hadhrat Ahmad Ali Lahori رحمة الله عليه, being the great sahib e kashf Wali he was, warned him about the infection in the hearts of the Workers. Steps were taken to rectify them but the Workers were not ready to comply.

They even disrespected Qutub ul Aqtab Maulana Zakariya رحمة الله عليه, the Qutub of the time.

None of the Mashaikh and Elders said anything publicly only because the Work was the Directive of Rasulullah (sallahu alayhi wasallam) himself through a dream to Maulana Ilyas رحمة الله عليه. It was not the Work of Maulana Ilyas رحمة الله عليه.

No Work done by the pious is the Work of anyone. The pious servants did No Work unless a directive was given to them.

Maulana Qasim Nanotwi رحمة الله عليه, Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi رحمة الله عليه and Maulana Thanwi رحمة الله عليه got bay't to Hadjrat Haji Imdadullah Muhajir e Makki رحمة الله عليه because he was the Qutub ul Aqtab of his time. Being such giants themselves, they behaved truly like children in front of Haji Imdadullah رحمة الله عليه and did all their Work with his Mashwara.

No one did anything on their own.

I'm sure the blessed Tablighi Workers would like to think everything is in their Work. No need to look outside

I'm also sure young, enthusiastic Ulama would like to think we have everything in Madrasa no need to look at other efforts

I'm also sure that good minded Mureeds would like to think our Khanqah has it all. No need to look anywhere else

The answers are in the writings, malfoozat and biographies of Maulana Ilyas رحمة الله عليه, Maulana Zakariya رحمة الله عليه, Maulana Yusuf رحمة الله عليه and their close students and khulafa

Hadhrat Lahori رحمة الله عليه specifically warned about our dear Tablighi Workers thinking that Our Work has it All. Which ultimately led to We are on Haq, others are on Batil

It is the same for any effort of Deen, not only Tabligh Work
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 15:45
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If a patient was able to self-diagnose and self-medicate there would be no need for Doctors. Sure some illnesses are common and clear and one can get a homemade remedy from ones Grandmother, many are very subtle need a specialist to diagnose and treat.

Given our condition as an Ummah the vast majority of us are Patients and there are very few Specialists able to diagnose and treat.

And ALLAH knows best.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 15:58
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Unfortunately I din't hear the above malfooz of maulana Ilyas RA from any scholar who is associated with other forms of Islah/Tazkiyah.

This effort (of Tableeg) is in reality a Riyazath of a very high degree. Alas, people do not understand its reality!

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:07
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This is the type of claim that drives people away from Tabligh my dear brother. How would one gain mastery in something even the Masters say they know nothing of.

There is no need to elevate any effort of Deen to be The Ultimate Saviour and Complete in all areas. At different times in the Ummah, there are different challenges and different approaches are required to bring people back to Allah Ta'ala.

When excess (ghuloo) enters our minds, we will be blind to the Truth that is right before our eyes. This is the greatest downside of excessive fanaticism in any effort of Deen.

The status of the Work of Tabligh does not reduce even an iota if the Workers have to go to Madaris and Khanqahs for the benefits offered there. Depending on the situation of the person, it will be Fardh for him to go there. To learn Fardh Ilm etc.

The Status of the Work of Tabligh does not decrease an atoms worth because of all the issues going on now at this present time.

The people who were a means to the issues and their lack of inaction of some responsible people who were fixated on not damaging the Work are to be blamed somewhat. Eventually we will have to accept it as the decree of Allah Ta'ala as is His Sunnah in every era.

Haq Ta'ala will raise another Mujtahid to do Work in these turbulent times. How and When Haq Ta'ala chooses to do so is not of concern to us.

An example of my statement above is that we do not hate Hadhrat Nizamuddin Auliya رحمة الله عليه or Tasawwuf for what happens at his Mazaar (grave site) today. We just hate the innovations and sins happening there and feel sorry (not hate) our brethren involved in such activities.

Humbleness is lost when we claim Greatness and it opens the doors to Pride and makes the heart Dark.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:07
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When I say, one gets islah in tableegh, it doesn't mean other forms of islah won't exist.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:11
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Do you disagree with this statement by maulana Ilyas RA "This effort (of Tableeg) is in reality a Riyazath of a very high degree. Alas, people do not understand its reality!"
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:12
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What is your definition and understanding of the word
"Islah" ?
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:14
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I would like to learn from you, the real meaning of Islah, and also what percentage of masses in ummah have attained this islah.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:14
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Riyaazat - ریاضت religious exercise, devotion, abstinence, austerity.

That doesn't make it the only way. You are taking it out of context and giving it your own interpretation
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:21
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In addition to that Islah is perfection of Character.
The person's speaking, looking, listening, have to be in accordance with sunnah.
Their interactions and dealings with others, be it family, be it neighbours, be it strangers, be it customers should be in accordance with Sunnah.

Till the individual reaches a stage where everything the individual does is for the sake of ALLAH.



And ALLAH knows best.
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:24
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Molana Ilyas RA is using Riyazath in Technical term used in tasawwuf

Can someone with ahle nisbath explain what is riyazath in Tasawwuf.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:29
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عہد صحابہ میں صحابہٴ کرام آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی مجالس سے اپنی اصلاح کرواتے تھے اور نور ایمان سے اپنے دل کو منور کرتے تھے، اس کے بعد صوفیا کی مستقل جماعتیں پیدا ہوئیں، جنھوں نے تزکیہ کا کام کیا، آج کے دور میں اصلاح کے لیے سب سے بہتر اور افضل طریقہ یہ ہے کہ کسی متبع سنت بزرگ سے بیعت ہوکر ان سے اپنی اصلاح کروائی جائے یا تبلیغ میں وقت لگایا جائے اور جب تک کوئی بزرگ نہ ملے قرآنِ مجید کی کثرت سے تلاوت کی جائے، قرآن کی تلاوت دلوں سے زنگ کو دور کرنے میں انتہائی موٴثر ہے۔

This is what darul ifta deoband advises us to get islah.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 16:30
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I don't know about that but I am pretty certain from what I read Maulana Ilyas ( rah) did not see the work of Tablighi as a complete package.
But rather a starting point and a gateway where by the workers would go on to further their knowledge and understanding and implementation...by learning from the Mashaykh or enrolling in institutions of sacred knowledge,
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