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Can you guys explain urooj and nuzool of the sufis please ?

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2025 21:37
What happens during nuzool and urooj when you finish your sulook
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2025 22:26
Bro just ask all these questions in one thread.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2025 23:10
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2025 15:40
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I have a few questions:

Normally Tazkiyah, islah of muslims through Tasawwuf is, when the person is already pious, to increase his piety he takes counselling from his shaykh.

I didn't witness any muslim who is drowned in sins and he visiting a shaykh to get corrected (May be one or two isolated cases over a long period). Nor I have witnessed any group which does mass contact with muslims and takes them to their shaykh so that the chronic sinners are corrected.

Also I have witnessed pious muslims who are already posses high level of piety do bayyath to a particular shaykh, and the followers of shaykh boast that the particular pious muslim is in bayyah with our shaykh. (remember he was already pious before bayyah)
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2025 15:58
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You made some observations, what is the question?
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2025 16:06
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Let me append it.

Is my observation universal. Same is the case in other places.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2025 17:41
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Your observations are applicable to India.
Here it's very mixed.

You have Barelwis who mostly do bayaah out of some family tradition majority of them not understanding the purpose of Bayaah or Tassawuf.

Then you have many of the youth who are inclined towards Salaafism they are anti-tassawuf.

Then you have the Deobandis amongst their laypeople it's mix and match some are anti-tassawuf and some are pro-tassawuf.

As for those who are generally bayaahs there are many young people who are living life of dunyah and many of them end up taking Bayaah with Shaykh.

So it's a mix of everything. There used to be a Deobandi forum called Sunniforum and on that their was a very long thread topic called Tabligh Vs Tassawuf. Those that believed that effort in Tablighi was sufficient for Islah and those believe Tassawuf and bayaah was essential. And those who believed both were essential.

And ALLAH knows best.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2025 18:11
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There is a pdf called the linked between tabligh and tasawwuf the founder of tabligh was a sufi too.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2025 18:21
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Many Tablighis don't know that.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2025 18:28
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Maulana ilyas sab RA had ijazah from all 4 silsila, had khilafat from all 4
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2025 20:12
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Maybe it shows the sincerity of Maulana Mohammed Ilyas رحمة الله عليه, in his duas, he wanted the work to spread rather then his own personal fame.

Millions around the world participate in work of Tablighi but don't know much about him. And some Tablighis don't even know the origins of Tablighi at all and have never heard of him.

In nutshell many Tablighis that I have come across don't know much about of Tassawuf, because it is not often talked about in their circles. And amongst them are those who think this whole Peeri-Mureedi
Is a Barelwi custom.


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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2025 07:05
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Tablighees are getting islah in tableeg itself, so they don't look towards other sources. But they respect all other forms of islah.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2025 10:40
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Yes the first journey of tasawwuf sair ila ALLAH perhaps some of them complete to a certain extent because they will face rude people and lots of difficulties in the tabligh path that will remove pride after pride is gone most bad traits are gone, however the higher branch of fanaa and baqaa is a different story its easier gaining this from an arif sheikh who completed his sulook and sair fillah journeying into ALLAH, who made urooj from nasut to lahut and back.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2025 12:18
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If a brother is regular in tabligh, he achieves mastery in those branches you have mentioned.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2025 10:20
The difference between getting Islah in Tableeg with other forms of islah.

There are two benefits in tableegh tahreek.

1. Individual result: Depending upon the qurbani one offers in tableeg he shall be rewarded with islah as wages/returns.

2. Collective result: Ummah gets benefited with tableeg movement, the effort reaches masses and other members of ummah get islah. The widespread islah of ummah through tableeg visible now are through the intentions of individuals who participated in tableeg for their self reformation.

The second benefits are missing in other sources of reformation.

This is like a medical student joins a Medical university for his individual goals. But community gets doctor for their treatment. Both get benefited.
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