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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2022 10:52

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Saudi Arabia ranked third after China and India with almost 62,000 students studying in US universities alone, data for other countries where saudis study is not known.

You discourage in your country...... they move to West. When they return to their city they represent the western culture and preach it to their locals. That is more dangerous.

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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2022 14:44

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This is always a dangerous reply from a Muslim. The implication here is that Islam as it was taught by the Prophet (saw)

did not encompass the times of today and that we the Muslims of today need to come up with additional rulings to make it "fit" the world of today. That somehow Allah made an error na'uzubillah when he sent down Islam 1400 years before by not considering the world of today.

If that implication is incorrect then there is no reason why we cannot use the example of Sahaba رضي الله عنهم today.

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2022 16:09

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What is islamic ruling on ladies acquiring knowledge other than deeni ilm?

I have read ulema e haq allow rather recommend certain branches of secular education for ladies for development of a nation.

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2022 16:30

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Praise be to Allah.

There is no doubt that one of the things that Muslim societies need is female Muslim doctors who can examine and treat Muslim women. Many Muslims experience acute embarrassment when there is a need for a female doctor to treat a wife, daughter or sister, but only a male doctor can be found. Hence if a Muslim woman studies this noble profession she will be fulfilling a major shar‘i interest.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said: There is no doubt that learning medicine is a communal obligation (fard kifaayah) as the scholars stated, because the people’s interests cannot be served except by means of it, and that which is essential to serving the people’s interests comes under the heading of communal obligations even though it is not an act of worship. Hence the scholars said, when listing their general principles: Professions that people are in need of are communal obligations -- such as manufacturing, carpentry, blacksmithing, and so on. If there is no one to practice these professions so as to meet the needs of the Muslims, they become communal obligations upon the Muslims.

Based on that we say: it is obligatory for Muslims in Muslim countries to learn and practice medicine so that they will have no need of other doctors who are Christians and so on.

End quote from Fataawa Noor ‘ala ad-Darb (tape 9)

The basic principle is that a female medical student should seek an environment that is not mixed and she should choose a serious academic environment. She should also adhere to Islamic rulings that pertain to her study with regard to looking at or touching ‘awrahs (private parts). It is not permissible for her to do that except within the limits of study and learning. Although looking at and touching ‘awrahs is basically haraam, nowadays it is not possible to learn medicine properly except by means of theoretical and practical studies. In order to fulfil this shar‘i need for female Muslim doctors, it is permissible for a female student to look at and touch the private parts of men and women for the purpose of learning. This ruling applies equally to both male and female students.

The scholars of the Standing Committee was asked:

He is studying in the faculty of gynaecology and obstetrics, and there are some practical cases that the student is required to observe, and this is required in order to pass this subject so that he can move to the next stage. This causes problems for us. We hope that you can issue a fatwa on this topic.

They replied:

The basic principle is that it is obligatory to cover the ‘awrah for both men and women. The ‘awrah for men is from the navel to the knee. In the case of a woman, her entire body is ‘awrah apart from the face and hands when praying and when in ihram. If she can see non-mahram men and they can see her, it is obligatory for her to cover her face and body, whether that is in prayer or in ihram for Hajj or ‘umrah. It is permissible to uncover the ‘awrah in the case of necessity and it is permissible to look at it if a shar‘i interest will be served by that. That includes female and male students looking at women during surgery that has to do with gynaecology and obstetrics, so that they can pass this subject and move on to the next stage, and so on until the students (both male and female) graduate. The shar‘i interest which justifies the view that this is permissible is having enough Muslim doctors, both male and female. If that is forbidden among the Muslims, it will result in a need for male and female doctors who are not Muslim, which will bring many negative consequences. Islamic sharee‘ah seeks to achieve benefits and ward off harm.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd ar-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abdullah ibn Ghadyaan.

End quote from Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa’imah, 24/411, 412

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen thinks that looking at ‘awrahs for the purpose of learning medicine is permissible because looking at ‘awrahs is forbidden because of what it may lead to (and not in and of itself), and as that is the case it may be permissible in the case of need. And the need of Muslim societies for female doctors cannot be denied. So it is permissible for male and female students to look at ‘awrahs for the purpose of learning medicine.

The shaykh (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked:

What is the ruling on uncovering the woman’s ‘awrah for the purpose of finding out the symptoms of illness? What is the ruling on female students for whom the ‘awrahs of female patients are uncovered for the purpose of learning?

He replied:

There is nothing wrong with a woman uncovering that which it is obligatory for her to cover, for the purpose of medical treatment, investigating symptoms and diagnosing disease, because that is a case of necessity, and necessity makes such normally haraam things permissible. The well-known principle of the scholars is that what is forbidden for what it may lead to (and not in and of itself) may be permitted in cases of necessity, and what is forbidden in and of itself may be permitted in cases of extreme necessity. They (the scholars) gave several examples of that, such as looking at that which it is not ordinarily permissible to look at of a woman in the case of necessity; thus a suitor may look at that which it is not ordinarily permissible to look at for the purpose of marriage. The same applies in this case that our brother has asked us about. It is permissible for a male doctor to examine a woman in order to find out what the sickness is and diagnose its symptoms.

End quote from Fataawa Noor ‘ala ad-Darb, tape 9

To sum up: what is needed for the purpose of learning a profession, such as looking at or touching ‘awrahs, is permissible in cases of necessity.

And Allah knows best.

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2022 18:04

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What is islamic ruling on ladies acquiring knowledge other than deeni ilm?

I understand neither it is wajib nor haraam, it is mubaah.

And for the government it has to create a sense of kifayah among its subjects.

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2022 22:42

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The following is the ruling in accordance with the Shafi Madhab.

By Ustadhah Zaynab Al Ansari.

islamqa.org/?p=33478

The following is the ruling by Shaykh Muhammad Salah al Munajjad. From Islam Q/A.

islamqa.info/en/answers/224595/ruling-on-girls-going-to-s...

In a nutshell in some fields it’s essentiall. Especially the medical field otherwise if there are no female practitioners then male Doctors will be performing the treatment.

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2022 22:56

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It is already a problem in the Muslim world. We have the ruling elite whether they are involved in Business In politics in Media. Who get educated in the west and return to their countries with colonised minds. These people who become the ruling elite, are brainwashed in western universities with the belief that Islam is backward and offers no solution to the modern world.

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2022 23:26

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Bismillah.

I live in the U.K. and being one of the older members on this forum my memory stretches back to the 1970’s. And have seen the challenges we faced and the lesson we had to learn over the last few decades.

Maulana Tariq Jameel mentions in one of his lessons. That when he first visited the U.K. around about 1980 He was told that the British were predicting that within three generations the Muslims would lose their Islam altogether.

And he is correct the Social Scientists, have something which they call third generation assimilation. That is the third generation of immigrants almost fully adopts and becomes immersed in the native culture.

I am also old enough to remember when some parents would object. If children in Maktaabs where taught Islam in English, they need to be taught in the language of their heritage. So most children did not understand Urdu they would leave masjid having memorised things in parrot fashion. But having understood nothing of Islam.

As for girls most parents were against girls pursuing higher education. And even for Deeni Taleem there were zero institutions and little focus on Islamic education for girls other then the very basics. So they remained fairly ignorant.

So how was the third generation Assimilation prevented. At the dawn of the 1990’s the learned amongst us started focusing on teaching Islam to the youth in English and focusing on teaching Islamic knowledge for the women.

Let me show you the transformation that happened, when I was in school not a single girl wore Hijaab. In a school that was 90% Muslim. All of them wore dupattas round their necks. Within 5 years after I left that school almost all the girls in that school wore Hijaab.

As for your assertion about those against education going and living in Jungles and villages. Well The internet has now reached everywhere even the women and girls have smart phones in these places. They are being educated in immodesty and seeing females on TV and dramas as role models.

La Hawla Wala Quwwata Illah Billah.

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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 1st January 2023 19:04

Taliban have said once they fix issue of hijab, women traveling without mehrams and the issue of secularism/feminism that's associated with higher education they will let them return.

As for Dr's and stuff, you don't need mass women for that. In usa it's about .4% yet there plenty of female Dr's for population. Furthermore notice liberal Muslims always come out with need for female Dr's why never female nurses ,midwives or other professionals which are more practical and needed for females? Is it cos the west deems Dr's as a prestigious professional?

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 1st January 2023 19:34

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Bismillah.

Thats was covered in the link I provided by Ustadha Zaynab Al Ansari . She wrote..
"Anecdotal evidence suggests that the Muslim community is in serious need of sisters who are in the health care professions, including — but not limited to –doctors, midwives, nurses, psychiatrists, therapists, and natural practitioners."

I dont think the United States is an ideal example either. .4% is probably fine for them, maybe because American Women do not care whether they are treated by men or women.

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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 1st January 2023 21:39

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As for the first part of your post. I am pleased to here the Taliban has recognised the fact Universities are being weaponised to promote Fahisha. And are putting in measures to counteract this.

I remember over 15 years ago on Sunni-Forum there was a brother called Abdul Hadi who joined the forum only for a few weeks he seemed to have a favourite saying "Men have lost their ghayrah and Women have lost their Hayaa". That quote of his has stayed with me. In the present context that is the crux of the issue the west wants the Men of Afghanistan to lose their Ghayrah and the Women to lose their Hayaa, so they can subjugate the country.

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd January 2023 00:05

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There's a video of Afghanistan lecturer telling girls at uni to remove hijab as teaches and students are mehrams.

Even if taliban permanently banned uni for women and offered no justification they are the leaders and have final say. West and munafiq are making this all a bigger issue than it is to attack them abd islam

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