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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 08:52

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I am still astonished by your question so let me get back to you to make triple sure.

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Hazrat Shaykh (RA)'s views on Taqleed go much beyond that, read his foreword of Taqreer of Saheeh Bukhari

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 09:04

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We cannot deduce from this incident that we can search for a lenient fatwa in all situations because in that case we will start following our desires.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 09:20

Yes, exactly. The point that needs to be clarified most is are we allowed to follow an Islam of convenience? Meaning only referring to ulema that would give a fatwa of permissibility or non-permissibility upon things which are easier for us to implement in our lives, but the ease has nothing to do with circumstances surrounding us, rather our own lack of will and laziness.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 09:22

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This is very true and extremely important.

We cannot go around deliberately searching or hunting for easier and lenient opinions as it is following the Nafs.

Taqleed is consulting the Ulama so all such matters should be put to the "Mufti" whom you are consulting and it should be left to their discretion and not personal preference. In all examples of such nature, it was the Ulama who directed someone to another "Mufti" who holds a different opinion and if you come across a different opinion...Once again go back to the Ulama

Its about making Taqleed, see the example of HSBC Islamic Mortgage posted earlier:

Approved by Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA)
Rejected by Mufti Ebrahim Desai (HA)

I had long discussions with students of Mufti Ebrahim Desai (HA) on behalf of others and the end result was that a "layman" has permissibility to make Taqleed of either of these opinions.

Nobody just picked up an opinion just because it suited them.

This is a very practical scenario and happens all the time. Two well known and renowned Muftees can differ on a matter and it is common. This is ease from Allah Ta'ala and not a problem so don't look at it as a problem. The cheese rennet example is something which laymen can wrap their head around, fairly easily. Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA), Mufti Ebrahim Desai (HA), Mufti Rizaul Haq (HA) all permit cheese made from rennet of an animal not slaughtered Islamically and they do not stipulate any Taqwa clause etc to it. SANHA and other Ulama do not consider it permissible so here Muslims in Sweden (actual question) have the leeway to follow the Ulama whom allow it based on principles of Taqleed after consulting the Ulama which they did!

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 09:27

I like cheddar.

Cheese like cheddar or parmesano are made using rennet.

If Mufti Abu Hajira forbids it then there must be some reason behind that.

I personally feel that such issues immediate go out of Azeemat and Halal only in Rukhsat.

And that is where I am stuck. To go for Azeemat or lapse to mere Rukhsat.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 09:32

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This has nothing to do with Rukhsa vs Azeema. Rukhsa is for you to make Masah on feet instead of washing your feet.

And Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA), his teacher and Grand Mufti of South Africa permit it and they must also have their reason. In fact the global consensus of Ulama of India (IFA) permits cheese made from such rennet which elevates it to the level of "Ijmah" for Indian Muslims.

So with due respect, it is a little baffling for you to abandon Ijmah of Ulama (of India) and follow a lone Mufti in Canada. In your personal case....and no disrespect to Mufti Faisal Saheb (HA).

But as a "Layman" you have the choice to make Taqleed of either and you cannot shun those who are making Taqleed of others based on lack of knowledge or Taqwa.

You cannot boast about yourself being a "Muttaqi" for following an opinion, at the end of the day...All sides are making Taqleed of Hanafi Madhab and making Taqleed of Ulama.

Above all, you cannot then exit your Madhab and start accusing other Madahib for lack of Taqwa or lack of knowledge for consuming Shrimp.

You don't want to eat Shrimp that is your personal business.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 10:19

Thank you Colonel Sahab for the very informative and detailed posts above.

When is it acceptable to act on the more lenient opinion and when is it unacceptable to act on the more lenient opinion?

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 10:50

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That is not up to to decide and there is no such thing as "hard vs lenient", it is subjective according to circumstances. These matters should be put to the Ulama.

Examples:

Mortgage is Haram but Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA) and others authorised HSBC Mortgage in UK, so the choice is between "Haram" or making "Taqleed" of Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA). Mufti Ibn Adam (HA) 15 years ago did an entire program on this specific issue for British Muslims.
Most countries do not have a stringent system of labelling food as "Suitable for Vegetarians" but Cheese is a common food a person can consume. What does a Swedish Muslim do when they are living there? They consulted Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA) about Sweden and cheese.
Stunning is not allowed by "HMC" in UK but it is permitted by Mufti Yusuf Sacha, SANHA and Wifaqul Ulama so it is better to find HMC authorised meat but what do you do in towns where HMC meat is not available or facilities where HMC meat is not available like in vast parts of UK (outside of a few cities in England)? www.wifaqululama.co.uk/stunnedlamb/

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 12:28

Just to clarify please.

Does Mufti Taqi Usmani authorise the mortgage of HSBC or was it when HSBC had the Amanah account only?

(someone reading this may walk away with a different meaning)

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 12:44

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Point 3 brings me to Nandos. Can we or can we not?

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 13:03

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This is discussed in its own thread.

The chicken slaughtered before its delivery to Nando's is stunned and had been previously approved by Mufti Yusuf Sacha. However, Mufti Yusuf Sacha didn't certify Nando's.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 13:08

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Who supplies our Halal chicken?
Our Halal chickens are supplied to us by Freemans of Newent. They are authorised by the Islamic Institute of Jurisprudence and are one of the UK’s leading suppliers of Halal chicken.

All of our Halal products are clearly segregated at our supplier and in our distribution centre. Our Halal serving restaurants are authorised only to receive poultry from our approved distribution centre.

If I trust Nandos internal procedures to supply chicken from Freemans of Newent to the customer’s plate then I'm fine to eat, right?

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 15:47

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I know that Ulama have ruled that in our times (due to Fitnah) it is an obligation to make Taqleed of a single Madhab.

I know that SOME Ulama have ruled that in our times (due to Fitnah) it is an obligation to make Taqleed of a single Madhab.

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When is it acceptable to act on the more lenient opinion and when is it unacceptable to act on the more lenient opinion?

Less "lenient" position does not always mean more correct or more cautious opinion. One can also be following one desires by always trying to enforce or follow a "strict" opinion. Although lenient and strict really needs to be defined properly.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 17:38

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If I wanted to use the term "some" I would have used it.

Taqleed is an obligation.
Taqleed of 4 Madhabs is made obligatory by majority of Ulama in the world, including International forums etc.

You disagree with it that's fine...You disagree with a lot of sensible things so no big deal...

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 20th August 2020 18:27

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You disagree with a lot of sensible things so no big deal...

With all due respect, sir, this was unnecessary.

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