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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 09:33
24 hours later, no apology.

This was deliberate!
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 11:05
7 years ago

Imran Khan: In fact the way UBL was killed, he has become a martyr to a certain sect/number of people.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 11:42
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Why not call musailama ibn kazaab, abu lolo, khomaanie gadaffi abu jahl shaheed too? Yes call anyone who dies a shaheed regardless if Muslim or if they fighting for or against Islam. Evryone is a shaheed.

Add Diana and pope John to list too
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 11:55
twitter.com/maria_marwat/status/1276462347863781381

This tweet is not by a Deobandi or someone overly religious person.

Translation: Those expressing sorrow over the death of a Hindu actor (Sushant Singh Rajput) are making fun of using the term "Shaheed" for a Muslim warrior (aka Osama Bin Ladin (RA)), this our weakness of Eemaan.

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Because most of them were not Muslims while Benazir was...
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 12:12
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1. Were they all Muslims?

2. Why did you call Benazir a kafir? I am genuinely interested to know. Did she commit kufr?
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 12:36
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She was a ismaaili. If u consider them Muslims then there is nothing more for me to say. Next you guys be calling bashar n his henchmen mujaahideen and ones killed by sunnis as shaheed too.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 12:42
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Lets discuss the issue systematically without getting angry or frustrated.

Point 1:

Why not call musailama ibn kazaab, abu lolo, khomaanie gadaffi abu jahl shaheed too? Yes call anyone who dies a shaheed regardless if Muslim or if they fighting for or against Islam. Evryone is a shaheed.

Next you guys be calling bashar n his henchmen mujaahideen and ones killed by sunnis as shaheed too.

I do not hold the position that "Non-Muslims" or Alawee-Shias can be declared Shaheed so this is my response. Please limit yourself to what I am writing and feel free to disagree.

Once, you have addressed point 1, we will turn our attention to Benazir Bhutto later.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 13:02
I didn't know that Benazir was Ismaili.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 13:35
I knew she was Shia but didn't know she was Ismailli Shia.
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 13:49
Benazir Bhutto's mother was a Shia of Iranian origin and her father, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, followed the Sunni school of thought.In her autobiography, Benazir Bhutto stated that, although the rest of the Bhutto family was Sunni, her mother, Begum Nusrat, was a Shia Muslim of Iranian origin . The autobiography further states that it was her mother who taught her the "rituals of prayer," although it does not specify whether Bhutto considers herself to be a Shia or a Sunni.It is not known of Begun Nusrat bhutto was Ismaili shia or Athnae Ashri shia. Benazir most probably did not care about those issues.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 13:49
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70 Clifton, Karachi

goo.gl/maps/2xYNkJKy8jaYiRH5A

Back when I was young and Benazir wasn't a politician, we drove in front of 70 Clifton many times and I saw "Panjtan Pak" and the black flag on the terrace many times with many own eyes in Muharram and outside of it, you can use Google Street view and see what is there today.

My once upon a time best friend "Anil" is from the same area as Zardari but obviously he never discussed about Shia/Sunni stuff as he didn't know about Islam.

In fact Benazir was on record stating that she was "Sunni" but then page 57 on her book which is the only mention of religion at least tells us about the beginnings from her mother as a Shia

ia800706.us.archive.org/31/items/UrduTranslationOfDaughte...

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Yes, see above.

I cannot find an English free pdf version of the book.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 13:51
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 13:55
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It was neither deliberate nor a slip of tongue. His such statements are called Imraniyaat and that is why he should be careful when he speaks on serious issues.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 14:03
No one can know what he really believes, but I'd like to think this is what he thinks of the issue privately. Whether or not he should have said it in public, depends on whether or not you believe that Muslims should be spending their time appeasing the kuffar.

You can see the typical tactics of the baatil over this. They are creating so much noise and shaming the Muslims so much, that the Muslims are forced to adopt a defensive stance and try to appease the kuffar with excuses that this was not what they meant, etc. It sickens me to be honest.

For once I'd like a Muslim ruler to just come out and say, yes I said that, and yes I believe it, do whatever the hell you want to do.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 14:04
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Exactly! And I'll write a book on such Imraniyaat one day!
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