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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2020 19:11
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2020 19:16
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How many Muslims live in Ladakh?

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2020 19:32
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All historical Indian census collected data together on 3 areas:

  1. Jammu & Kashmir
  2. Ladakh


Together it has always been a Muslim dominated region with Jammu and Kashmir being overwhelming Muslim while Ladakh being between 50%-60% Muslim.

There are key differences between them. Kashmir is overwhelmingly Sunni while Jammu is balanced Sunni/Shia while Ladakh is overwhelmingly Ismaeli Shia. This is inline with their ethnic cousins in Pakistan with Azad (Kashmir) predominately Sunni and GB (Gilgit-Baltistan) being overwhelmingly Shia.

Jammu Shias are Ithna-Asha'ri while Ladakhi and GB are more Ismaeli.

Aksai Chin is predominantly Buddhist/Indigenous with small pockets of Muslims like the Kailash people of Pakistan who are also Pagans. All in all these people have little in common with India and mostly and ethnically the same as China and Pakistan and their indigenous populations.

Vast amounts of open areas and uninhabited/inhospitable land and terrain.

This is the view of the Indian (retired) General who commanded here about the terrain:

theprint.in/opinion/indias-fingers-have-come-under-chines...

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Pattern of defence in Ladakh

The term LAC is not demarcated through a formal agreement, either side can vary in its perception. And this has remained the case despite the numerous confidence building agreements signed since 1993, and two informal summits. Out of the 857-km-long border in Ladakh, only 368 km is international border (IB) and the rest of the 489 km is the LAC. This was the line reached by China in 1962, which is exactly as per its 1960 claim line.

It is a treacherous high-altitude terrain with the valley height being 14,000 – 15,000 ft and hill features being at heights of 16,000-18,000 ft. The main defences cannot be physically located along the LAC because the terrain is not tactically suitable. These are located on the Ladakh Range, Pangong Range, along Shyok River and in the Depsang plains. The distance to the LAC varies from 10 to 80 km, depending upon the terrain. The main defences are manned by the Army and the LAC is secured by the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP). The security of the vast spaces ahead of the main defences is ensured by covering elements deployed at selected places, mechanised forces and by physical/electronic surveillance. The ITBP posts are along the routes of ingress and in disputed areas, but are not continuous like we have on the IB in plains.

There are vast gaps between the ITBP posts along the LAC. There are areas where the ITBP posts are well short of the LAC due to lack of infrastructure. To defend the entire length of the LAC, in strength and man, the main defences, as we do at the LoC, we will require at least 4-5 divisions instead of just one that is committed now. Even in the present pattern, the ITBP strength has to increase tenfold to effectively cover the entire length along the LAC.


This is the view of the Indian Special Forces (retired) General on tactical situation:

www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/4/18836/C...

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PLA must be enjoying our discomfiture requesting these meetings. Why doesn’t the NSA talk to Wang Yi, China’s special representative for border talks with whom he has had several one-to-one meetings? Would that not clarify Chinese intentions first-hand? He isn’t doing so perhaps because he knows the answer: China may say PLA is in own territory; if at all they do, it may be some after extracting major concessions, and: China will retain Galwan intrusion as a launch-pad and monitor the DSDBO road.


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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2020 20:14
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2020 03:12
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Mainstream media in India is a joke. Intellectuals in India do not even dignify its existence by sourcing from it.

For propaganda free news, please refer to outlets such as the quint, the wire, the print, hw news, a little bit of ndtv, the caravan, and a number of non partisan regional language news channels.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2020 10:46
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I don't agree with Quint as their Journalistic credentials are not up to scratch
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 8th June 2020 02:01
India, China to resolve border dispute ‘peacefully’

ARAB NEWS
June 08, 2020

NEW DELHI: In a significant attempt to defuse escalating tensions along the border, both New Delhi and Beijing have agreed to “peacefully resolve” the dispute between the world’s two most populous nations, India’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement released on Sunday.

“Both sides agreed to peacefully resolve the situation in the border areas in accordance with various bilateral agreements,” excerpts from the statement said.

The agreement comes a day after military officials from the two nations held high-level talks near the eastern part of the Himalayan region of Ladakh. This disputed border area was the center of the current escalation between the two neighbors.

The talks on Saturday, at the behest of India, were held at the Border Personnel Meeting Point in Maldo on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Eastern Ladakh.

“This year marked the 70th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries, and both sides agreed that an early resolution would contribute to the further development of that relationship,” Indian officials said.

The issue began early last month when Indian troops blamed China’s military for hindering usual patrolling at the LAC, along the Ladakh and Sikkim border.

Beijing blamed its southern neighbor for building road infrastructure at the Fingers region around the Pangong Tso Lake and Galwan Valley in eastern Ladakh.

The present standoff, which began with border skirmishes, is confined to those five key areas where India and China have had traditional differences on the perception of the LAC in the Ladakh region.

Both sides adopted a firm approach and, according to media reports, China deployed nearly 2,500 extra troops in the region, in addition to enhancing its weaponry and military infrastructure.

On Tuesday, India’s Minister of Defense Rajnath Singh hinted at the build-up of Indian troops in the disputed area, too.

“It is true that people of China are on the border. They claim that it is their territory. We claim that it is ours. There has been a disagreement over it. A sizeable number of Chinese people have come there. India has done what it needed to do,” Singh said in a media interaction on Tuesday.

However, on Sunday, India said that the “two sides would continue military and diplomatic engagements to resolve the situation and to ensure peace and tranquility in the border areas.”


Foreign policy experts, for their part, said that the de-escalation and resolution of disputes were “important to maintain a good bilateral relationship.”

“If we don’t address the contentious issue it will spill over and impact other bilateral and multilateral relationships,” Professor Srikanth Kondapalli of the New Delhi-based Jawaharlal University told Arab News.

He reasoned that the stand-off in Ladakh is related to the “conflicting claims on sovereignty and each country’s distinct strategic vision.”

“If China occupies the region, it can connect to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Central Asia and influence the future setup in Ladakh and Jammu and Kashmir,” he said, adding that “Ladakh holds geostrategic importance for India” also.

“This region is the highest region on earth, and those who control the peak control the valley. That is another strategic reason for the dispute.”

Manoj Kewalramani, a fellow at the Bangalore-based think-tank Takshashila Institution, added that Saturday’s agreement does not mean a “de-escalation or disengagement anytime soon” or the cessation of dispute.

“The nature of the boundary dispute, the ambiguity surrounding claims and the strategic dynamic of the India-China relationship imply that we should continue to expect incidents and volatility,” Kewalramani told Arab News.

He added that what was necessary at this juncture was for both sides “to recognize this.”

“They have been working on mechanisms of engagement to maintain stability. The current situation has tactical and strategic components to it. The tactical component is related to infrastructure development and force posturing. The strategic component is related to geopolitical shifts amid the pandemic, which entail worsening Sino-US ties and Beijing’s desire to shore up its periphery,” he said.

Other experts believe China escalated tensions along the border for other reasons.

“We have to understand the timing of the incident. The border infrastructure has been going on for some time. Judging by the way China reacted this time, it was clear that they wanted to divert the attention away from the mess of the pandemic, their stand on Hong Kong sovereignty and their military posturing in the South China Sea,” Jagannath P. Panda of the Institute of Defense Studies and Analysis, a New Delhi-based think tank, told Arab News.

“The Chinese wanted to send a message to the whole world that they are a competent power and can handle multiple issues at one go,” he added.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 11:43
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 12:05
Backroom deal will be done

The Chinese troops will retreate

Modi will be projected as victorious

Will help BJP win Bihar elections.

It's Balakot all over again.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 12:11
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I had the same view. But please watch my quoted video.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 19:31
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It's too long. Please summarise
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 19:34
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If you are interested with the whole scenario you have to watch the full video.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 19:35
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If it was ravish Kumar I would watch it. Am not going to spend 25 minutes watching any Tom, dick and harry.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 19:36
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He has done very good analysis based on authentic information. I also watched him for the first time.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 19:39
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I'll give it a try when I am free.
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