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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2020 00:37
71,000 people died including many of my family members, many children, many wives/sisters and daughters.

Terrorism is back in a new version

tribune.com.pk/story/2225376/1-decade-later-militancy-rea...

But a decade later, this time many things are vastly different.

  • The Deobandees are on a single page and no longer confused between Jihad and Terrorism
  • Taliban are back
  • India has lost Kashmir


I am over 10-15 years older then Sunniforum days and no longer need to be censored because what I tried to say, people saw it in blood and nobody needs to be convinced any more.

Lets hunt these rats and drag them from their holes.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2020 02:12
"India has lost Kashmir"

Is that on the basis of increase in violence in Kashmir and breakdown in law and order or have the locals gained some freedom?

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2020 02:45
Apologies, the thread / post started with numbers and a glitch caused the remainder of the post to disappear.

I've updated both posts now so it should all make sense now.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2020 08:21
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2020 10:53
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When you deploy 1 million Soldiers and still cannot control low-level insurgency, you have lost the local Population. Its the end game in Kashmir.


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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2020 10:58
Part 1: Appreciation of IB and Ulama Nexus

This time around there is no ambiguity about "Terrorism", no two languages, no obscure Fiqh issues.

You Kill.
You get Killed.

Intelligence Services reached out to the Ulama and made sure that the ambiguity of Fiqh was removed. 10-15 years ago, there were pages upon pages of discussions about Jamia Hafsa and XYZ but today, the Road is clear in the minds of civilians.

The normal everyday Pakistanees had a wake up call after APS (Peshawar) and ambiguity was gone.

Mufti Rafi Usmani Saheb (HA) led from the front and his efforts must be acknowledged. Jamiatur-Rasheed is not far behind. The centre of influence has shifted to Karachi (physically and visibly).

Secondly, Ulama to their immense Credit have avoided Sectarianism and Sectarian discussions.

Masha'Allah.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2020 13:10
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“In the first phase, we are setting up a desk for women. The first women’s centre has been set up in Kurram district. Their purpose is to ensure the protection of women’s rights in the tribal districts,” he explained.

This is patently a modernist, feminist push. Where is Ummah in this?
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd May 2020 09:40
Neighbours

There is an old adage that you can choose friends but you cannot choose your neighbours. Pakistan has the misfortunate of being next to two countries which have hatred in their DNA.

Hindus:
Never accepted Pakistan and continuously bully all of its neighbours but cannot bully Pakistan. Nearly 7 times larger, 5 times larger economy (apart from 1971 where the people of Bangladesh wanted independence) has never been able to land a decisive punch in any skirmish, battle or engagement. Shirk is diametrically opposed to Tawheed and there is no solution to this problem except a complete capitulation of one at the hands of the other.

Shias: Smug superior attitude with the will to impose “superiority” on Sunnees, the Persians have been on the relentless march to revitalise their “imagined glory”.

The rise of Taliban 2.0 changes the dynamics of both of our neighbours. The existence of both is at peril at the hands of Taliban.

India is a bleeding injured body which will sooner or later die, it is inevitable.

Iran is dismembered, disfigured and isolated.

But both are dangerous because they are struggling for survival and have a common cause.

Ashraf Ghani and his allies in Afghanistan know that when America leaves, his dead body will be hanging on a treetop within 48 hours so he is fighting a personal war of survival.

14 Soldiers have died in the past 16 days in and it is a direct result of RAW-Iran-Afghanistan Nexus. Its time to change gears and all 3 of them hard.

India: “Insurgency” is already on all time high and the snow has not melted so this is on course. There is nothing to do except to continue to fight low-level Terrorism in Pakistan and wait patiently, the end game of India is close. The danger is hordes of Indians trying to cross the border and creating a Refugee like situation on the Eastern border and unlike Indian BSF (Border Security Force) which are glorified policemen, Pakistan has no such force. Pakistan Rangers are designed to fight Indian Army and not Police the border so there will be concerns when Indian refugees start crossing the border (and they will).

Afghanistan: Each Terrorist strike should be responded with a missile strike aimed directly at Kabul or bombing sorties. Each death should be “disproportionally” responded with by killing Afghans. Take the example of Turkey and create a 20 mile buffer zone by pushing back Afghan forces.

Iran: Pakistan Air force should “activate Drone Force” until the border is fenced. Drones should be in swarms and armed. Turkey has shown how well armed drones can rain deadly destruction at the enemy. The retaliation at Iran must be swift and deadly straight at the Iranian border post which allows Indian trained Terrorists to cross.
The problem remains a large number of Shias in Imran Khan’s Government which will not let the military formulate a response towards Iran.

(Iran) Shia are not our brothers.

(Iran) Shia are not sincere to us.

(Iran) Shia believe that they need to act to hasten the arrival of “Imam” Mahdi so they have religious motivation to try to destabilise the region.

There can be no negotiation with religious bigots and extremists, either Shia or Sunni. Imran Khan's Government should learn this lesson or our children in Karachi, Lahore or Peshawar will pay the price with their blood.


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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd May 2020 12:34
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1)India can be dislodged from Kashmir only through a decisive military victory against them. At the moment Pakistan needs to take the possibility of Indian (mis)adventure in Azad Kashmir more seriously.
2)Pukhtun tribes live on both side of Durand line, and majority of pukhtuns take the loss of life on both sides as genocide of pukhtuns. There will be political repercussions to Turkey style solution to the problem. Moreover the wave of insurgency this time is purely a pukhtun/Baluch nationalist movement and the opinion of scholars is irrelevant to them
3)Iran front should be kept quiet for as long as possible, insurgency can be responded with insurgency.

Pakistan is not a superpower and does not have the capacity to fight on three fronts simultaneously. They will have to deal with the situation with care, wisdom and great skill.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd May 2020 14:08
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The views in above post has triggered a million memories and an equal number of emotions.

All thanks are due to Allah SWT that one of the feelings is that we have a set of problems that we can deal with.

So far my emotions all the time have been that our problems are beyond our capacity to deal with.

If the mood has changed it is solely due to Fazl of Allah SWT.
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Neighbours

There is an old adage that you can choose friends but you cannot choose your neighbours. Pakistan has the unfortunate of being next to two countries which have hatred in their DNA.

Hindus: Never accepted Pakistan and continuously bully all of its neighbours but cannot bully Pakistan. Nearly 7 times larger, 5 times larger economy (apart from 1971 where the people of Bangladesh wanted independence) has never been able to land a decisive punch in any skirmish, battle or engagement. Shirk is diametrically opposed to Tawheed and there is no solution to this problem except a complete capitulation of one at the hands of the other.

Indian Muslims come into picture here.

Here in India the mood is set by the those people, it was so in 1947 itself, who are the the rulers - the Saffron.

The mood is the following : How dare Muslims of Pakistan create a country for themselves! Let us teach them a lesson.

One lesson was taught in 1971. Yet the hunger for revenge against imaginary wrongs was not satiated and the mood continues to be the same.

In this mood there is an expectation from Muslims of India to tow the Saffron line.

And the disease is common to the Lib-Dem part of the majority community.
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Shias: Smug superior attitude with the will to impose “superiority” on Sunnees, the Persians have been on the relentless march to revitalise their “imagined glory”.


My view is that the west is at the moment exhausted by their self-righteous war against Islam and Muslims and hence Muslims have got a temporary respite to put their house in order as well as take a corrective course as far as Iran is concered. Iran has designs over the two Harams of Makkah and Madinah and they will not relent till they achieve their objective.

Their noise about Palestine is simply self-serving.

This is the time where the Sunni world takes stock of its foolishness vis-a-vis Iran and ask some serious questions about the forced conversion of Sunnis in Iran and demand corrective measures.
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The rise of Taliban 2.0 changes the dynamics of both of our neighbours. The existence of both is at peril at the hands of Taliban.

I agree.
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India is a bleeding injured body which will sooner or later die, it is inevitable.

Iran is dismembered, disfigured and isolated.

But both are dangerous because they are struggling for survival and have a common cause.

Ashraf Ghani and his allies in Afghanistan know that when America leaves, his dead body will be hanging on a treetop within 48 hours so he is fighting a personal war of survival.


My personal encounters are two only that too very brief on these issues.

Once a diplomat of Afghanistan mission in India was talking in a conference in our university and he was very vehement about Pakistan being the bad guy and India and Afghanistan being the natural partners.

I am really surprised how people stick their necks out even when there is an overwhelming chance of becoming a Najibullah.

Another encounter was in a programme of an RSS inspired organizations programme in Delhi where Naila Baloch and some Afghanistan people were paraded as trophies of the Saffron and there was free flowing of sentiments against Pakistan.

Once again I am surprised that there are elements who fall into above kind of slot.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd May 2020 15:01
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Prof sab. You live in India. Is Muadh sab right in analysis about India. That India is falling.

It is true that during war, we have to project the opponent as weak.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd May 2020 15:51
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India is finished and Kashmir is lost to India.

To the "Indian Muslims" I say that our forefathers came to Islam and people always accept the religion of the dominant and supreme and nobody converts to the religion of the looser.

Afghanistan

These are my relatives. From 1950s onwards Communism spread in Afghanistan like wildfire and in major cities and sources of power. The elite and the powerful have friends, homes in India and their children study in India.

RAW operates 42 consulates in a small country and India has invested Billions in Afghanistan.

The ground reality outside of these power circles in entirely different and the dislike of India in Afghanistan is in their DNA. If this was not the case, India would have sent its forces into Afghanistan since America has been begging them.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd May 2020 15:59
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Majority of Indians (including pakistans and bangladeshis) got converted not because of Akbar or Shahjahan. They got converted through weak Fakirs.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd May 2020 16:02
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What about Muhammad bin Qasim?
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd May 2020 16:08
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Lets ask him about the version of history which his imagination has conjured up, Insha'Allah :P

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Pick an option:

  1. The "Weak Fakirs" were able to roam the length and breadth of India preach Islam and openly convert millions because Muslims were powerful and Islam was dominant.

  2. The "Weak Fakirs" were able to roam the length and breadth of India preach Islam and openly convert millions because Muslims were oppressed and Islam was subservient


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