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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2020 22:53

Ata-Turk and Indian Muslims

I would like everyone to consider the similitude.Turkish Muslims are taught to rever Ata-Turk from the time they are able to speak until the last breath of their life and his praise is hammered into their brains.

They lack facts and only get one-sided picture.

When you meet Sunnah practsing Turkish Muslims (many) are still unable to openly critique Ata-Turk EVEN after the facts become clear to them but they are embarrased because their conscious nags at them.

The case of Indian Muslims is actually far worse BECAUSE the "Ulama" reinforce the love for Hindus at every stage of the way. There are Indian Ulama like Abul-Kalam Azad (RA) and others who have actually declared Hindus to be Ahlul-Kitaab (people of the book). There are many Indian Ulama who still hold this position.

To anyone outside of India and researching the issue will know that this is ABSURD because Hindus are Mushriks.

The more oppression is meted out, the more Indian Muslims feel that they need to:

  1. Get closer to Hindus
  2. Prove their patriotism by critising Pakistan

It is in their psyche and drummed into their hearts and minds by the Ulama. Then many of them are actually scared to death about the future and simply reacting.

I know that it may be hard for Indian Muslims to believe that Pakistani Ulama and Pakistani people DO NOT want a war with India, they just want to be left alone. I have NEVER heard of A SINGLE PAKISTANI ALIM in my life who speaks ill of Indian Muslims while there are tons of examples in the opposite direction. No political speech of any Indian Ulama is complete without bashing Pakistan, listen to it on YouTube.

The greatest thing Modi has done has destroyed the fear factor in "normal" non-Hazrat worshipping Indians. They are literally at a "do or die" stage and there is no turning back. As far as the "Hazrat worshippers" Indians are concerned, there are not important or organsed enough to do anything, Sharjeel Imam et al have leap frogged them.

Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind like Jamiat Ulama-e-Pakistan is a FAILED organisation with no teeth and no bite. The leadership in Indian Muslims will NO LONGER come from Ashraaf of UP but from common rank and file Indians who have their backs against the wall.

Its "do or die" and the many credible think tanks in America has been warning against it since 2015!

There is nothing you can do to get through because "Ulama" are backing this emotional hysteria you cannot get through in the minds of the Deobandees. I mean how can you when Darul-uloom Deoband says the EXACT opposite to you?

Would you beleive someone on a forum or Darul-uloom Deoband.

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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:08
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Salafees say "sahaba aur tabaeen Ka amal hamare liye hujjat naheen hai"
"Practices of sahabah are irrelevant for Shari'a rulings"
If sahabah didn't know shariah, then who else?
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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:13
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Might is right

Irrelevant for this thread.
Did I mention Indian Hindus any where.

I would have got reported for the same behaviour.
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:24
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You are saying completely irrelevant things To what he wrote. He never negated anything about Sahabah رضي الله عنهم forming Shariah.

It’s like some tells you that the colour of the ball is red and you start screaming about cucumbers.
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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:34
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but I can surmise that it was the ijtihad of hazrat Umar (rd) for whatever reason. But in general I have learnt from ulama


Not very far from salafism.
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 01:42
Interesting thread but I am a bit lost. There seems to be some background to the posts from various members in this thread, like if it was split from another thread. Can someone provide me with some context?
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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 02:37
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I am genuinely confused. Please, I am not saying this to start an argument.

In the matter of Maulana Saad Sahab DB (which concerns only tablighis) we are asked to listen to Darul Uloom Deoband because they obviously know better, but in the matter of our national identity (which concerns all Indian Muslims), we are told DU Deoband is wrong.

Please help me understand this.
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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 06:05
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Stating a fact is salafism now?

You are either very young or very naive. I believe that your views will change as you get older or get more experience in life.

Or maybe you are a complete doofus and will never change.
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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 06:09
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Is there any necessity of Ijtehad after Ijtehad of Syeduna Umar RA or Syeduna Umar bin Abdul Azeez RA?

"Is it not re-inventing the wheel".

If there are 2 Ijtihads. Why rejecting Umar RA ijtehad, Peaceful, morally better ijtehad. And I have posted in other thread, the results of Umar bin abdul azeez RA's choosing a better ijtehad.
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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 07:07
We live in the time of lies and deception. Dajjal is around the corner and this kind of behavior will increase day by day. Not pointing fingers at anyone but this is a fact and everybody knows BJP is running IT media cell to create lies and false narration so we should be wary of that.
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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 07:08
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Vow!!!

I am not a BJP agent.... Wallah, Wallah, Wallah.......

This is the behavior of the so called future rulers, can't accept peace. Aman Halaq se naheen utarta hai
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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 07:14
I was quoting from Book
Compiled by a respected Pakistani Author
Printed and published in Pakistan.
And for Pakistanis.
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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 15:56

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Are you qualified to give a Fatwa? Why or why not?

Is your local Imam qualified to give medial advise on CoronaVirus, why or why not?

When did the two nation theory become an issue of Tafseer?

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You are quoting recepie for Biryani when no one has asked you!

W-H-O is telling you to be behave in a negative manner with your neighbours (Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims) or anyone?

Do you think that we are idiots???

You don't understand anythging, you don't even try to understand anything..You just waste everyone's time with irrelevant discussions and I do not understand why the Admins allow everyone's time to be wasted!


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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 15th March 2020 16:05
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Thank you. That helped me understand the issue.
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