Is this Deception?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9157MM40ibw

Background:

1. Yusuf was guilty of huge amounts of financial embezzlement.
2. "Muhammad" Yusuf was also guilty of claiming prophethood thus in Pakistan he was known as "Yusuf Kazzab" i.e Yusuf the Liar
3. While in Prison, he was killed so the Police investigations into his claims into Prophethood were never put on record (but he did).
4. Pakistanees have a thing for nicknames so everyone called him "Yusuf Kazzab" instead of "Muhammad Yusuf"
5. Zaid Zaman Hamid around 2010s was asked repeatedly

Question: What was your association with Yusuf Kazzab?

Answer: I didn't even know Yusuf Kazzab

In the video he says:

1. I didn't know any Yusuf Kazzab
2. I knew Muhammad Yusuf so "technically" my answer is valid and appropriate

Zaid Hamid's Now:

Zaid Hamid has since clearly rejected Muhammad Yusuf and rejected whatever Yusuf Kazzab's beleifs were and affirmed Islamic Aqeedah etc etc etc

Deobandi Ulama:

I had a long discussion with a prominent Pakistani Alim (who is quoting 2009) issues and this video and playing games. This is the video where Zaid Hamid clearly states his facts:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgcZ-5ETPx4

Your Views:

Considering the background and the situation, what are your views on the matter? Is it deception, is it playing games or is it fair what he said and did?

Zaid Hamid & Deobandees :

I told the Maulana that I know Zaid Hamid probably dislikes Deobandees and he has his reasons and he keeps explaining his point of view about Deobandees but this stunt cost him a lot...whatever his reasons for doing it.

I also think that it is deception and not smart or clever but he is not a Kaafir etc.

He gives his reasons in the same video but it is beyond the scope of this thread and it will make no difference to the Deobandees whom he has a problem with so no point in discussing.

You are right but there is no point in arguing because it will not be accepted. This is Zaid Hamid's point of view.

1. He was going through a divorce (for personal reasons), Deobandees published that his wife left him because of his adherence to "someone who claimed to be a Prophet" which was a lie so he is angry about Deobandees dragging his "Ex-Wife" into it....I remember this from Sunniforum days
   
2. He clearly states that Muhammad Yusuf was guilty of financial embezzlement and let him rot in Jail for it. For his claim of "prophethood", he was killed in Prison so nobody knows the fact....NEVERTHELESS he was a Con a d Fraud
   
3. TTP was and is a Deobandi leaning outfit and Deobandees DID and STILL remain Silent and as a result 71,000 Pakisatnees died...I remember Deobandees keeping Silent about TTP
   

I agree with and have been saying point 3 for over 10+ years. Its only when TTP attacked children and the entire Pakistani Nation got angry that Deobandees changed their tune on Terrorism. I am not saying Deobandees are Terrorists but they were "silent" and they should not have been.

So Zaid Hamid actually said this:

1. I and Deobandees who accuse me should face each other in a Shariah Court
2. Whoever is found guilty the Qadhi should put a bullet in their head because if I am guilty then I should be punished but if "Deobandees" are guilty then they should be killed for slanderous accusation (in line with Islamic Shariah)

Zaid Hamid Propaganda:

Zaid Hamid is a drama queen but his point is that allegations by Deobandees should be presented in a Shariah court.

To this day (2020), not all Deobandees clearly say that TTP is a Khawarij Terrorist organisation so when Zaid Hamid makes his point on National TV (public agree with him).

Deobandi Defence

The counter argument to Zaid Hamid is that Deobandees have been saying since 2009 that any killing of innocent civilians in Terrorism and it includes everyone. Applying this Fatwa to a named organisation is not necessary.

(Common) Pakistani Point of View

Yes, the general Fatwa is good but TTP should be named specifically and clearly because in Punjab and Pushtun areas it still remains an issue and from a laymen's point of view, I kind of agree with this view.

People should be left in no doubt about Terrorists. 

Ambiguity is left on this issue which is being exploited.

You have a good point.

Zaid Hamid caught lying about Dr Israr Ahmed (RA)

He claimed that Deobandees are biased and Dr Israr Ahmed (RA) knows and supports him in 2010:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6KDJoW1Ip0

This was a lie and refuted immediately by Dr Saheb (RA) and he stated that his position about "Muhammad Yusuf" and/or "Yusuf Kazzab" and his language towards Ulama needs clarity.

Don't you remember all these discussions from Sunniforum days? :lol

My only point is that this is a clear case of deception!

1. I don't know anyone named "Yusuf Kazzab (Yusuf, the Liar)
2. Because I know "Muhammad Yusuf"

Also Zaid Hamid has not really explained what he did between 1992 -2007.