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#136 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2021 12:03
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How foolish to stand against their own people leading to more bloodshed after 20 years of war that already caused turmoil?

I wish they unite and stand against athe west that loves their bloodshed. Only Allah can help.
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#137 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2021 18:58
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Its not surprising, this is what current 'leaders' do when they realise the people are going to revolt. And sadly it's not the first time it's happened with Afghanistan, their leaders going into exile. The thing that gets me scratching my head is even after this, if the people of Afghanistan were asked to chose a prime minister and voted they would probably still choose him. (I don't want to discuss the legitimacy of voting, democracy in Islam as that's for another thread) And it's not a one off thing. Didn't the Pakistani people do the same with Nawaaz Sharif? Wasn't he exiled for corruption or tax evasion etc and when he came back the people of Pakistan voted him in again.
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#138 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2021 23:49
Anti-Taliban leader Massoud wants to talk but ready to fight

Ahmad Massoud, son of Afghanistan's slain anti-Soviet resistance hero Ahmad Shah Massoud, speaks during an interview at his house in Bazarak, Panjshir province, Afghanistan.

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Massoud said his supporters were ready to fight if Taliban forces tried to invade Panjshir valley

“We do not want a war to break out,” he said

August 22, 2021

KABUL: Ahmad Massoud, leader of Afghanistan’s last major outpost of anti-Taliban resistance, said on Sunday he hoped to hold peaceful talks with the Islamist movement that seized power in Kabul a week ago but that his forces were ready to fight.

“We want to make the Taliban realize that the only way forward is through negotiation,” he told Reuters by telephone from his stronghold in the mountainous Panjshir valley northwest of Kabul, where he has gathered forces made up of remnants of regular army units and special forces as well as local militia fighters.

“We do not want a war to break out.”
Massoud, son of Ahmad Shah Massoud, one of the main leaders of Afghanistan’s anti-Soviet resistance in the 1980s, said his supporters were ready to fight if Taliban forces tried to invade the valley.

“They want to defend, they want to fight, they want to resist against any totalitarian regime.”

However he said he had not organized the seizure of three districts in the northern province of Baghlan bordering Panjshir last week, which he said had been done by local militia groups reacting to “brutality” in the area.

Massoud called for an inclusive, broad-based government in Kabul representing all of Afghanistan’s different ethnic groups and said a “totalitarian regime” should not be recognized by the international community.

The wreckage of Soviet armored vehicles that still dot the valley show how hard Panjshir has been to defeat in the past. But many outside observers have questioned whether Massoud’s forces will be able to resist for long without outside support.

He said his forces, which one aide said numbered more than 6,000, would need international support if it came to fighting. But he said they did not just come from Panjshir, a region of Persian-speaking Tajiks long at odds with the Pashtuns who form the core of the Taliban movement.

“There are many other people from many other provinces who are seeking refuge in the Panjshir valley who are standing with us and who do not want to accept another identity for Afghanistan,” he said.


(Ahmed Shah Massoud was killed in a suicide attack by Usama bin Laden’s men)
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#139 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 02:23
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Massoud attended the British Military Academy at Sandhurst. Was educated at Kings College London.

Which most likely means he has been working for the British Military Intelligence services all along.

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#140 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 10:46
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Can I know why is panjshir against taliban and they didn't capture this long?
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#141 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 11:11
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In general, they don't want to live under shariah and it is a notoriously difficult area to conquer due to its location and the way the land forms natural defences.
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#142 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 11:28
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In many parts of Afghanistan people put their Ethnic and Tribal loyalties
before evetything else.

The people of Panjshir are mostly Tajik...they dont want to be ruled by Pashtuns.

There is still strong sense of loyalty towards the late mujahideen commander Ahmed Shah Masoud who was known as the Lion of Panjshir. ( Massoud opposed the Taliban in the 1990's)
During the war with soviet Union.
Professor Burhanudeen Rabbani the leader of that Mujahadeen faction calling them selves Jamaah al Islami was also Tajik.
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#143 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 12:23
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Ethnicity is definitely a dividing factor, but even in the last administration the Taliban had some Tajiks and Hazaras in their ranks. Especially in Kabul, where many of the government ministers were from the North. Many of these northern ministers and soldiers came over to the Taliban after surrendering and were allowed to regain their ranks in the Taliban army/government. Even then they were not happy and towards the end of the original Taliban rule they started openly defying Mullah Umar and the original kandahari Taliban.

So eventhough they were allowed to join the Taliban, they were in reality hypocrites (note: I am not saying munafiq) and only did so for their own gain. They were never happy with living under strict shariah law. As soon as the Americans entered, they took off their insignia and turned against the Taliban.

Currently Massoud is open to negotiating with the Taliban, but one of his conditions are that democracy is implemented. I.e true shariah law is unacceptable.

To be honest I don't think most Muslims would be happy living under strict Taliban style shariah law, especially those who have become accustomed to a modern, westernized lifestyle.
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#144 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 12:31
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So was he part of the Taliban the first time?
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#145 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 12:38
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No. He was part of the resistance against the old Soviet invasion. In later years he fought against the original Taliban.
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#146 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 12:45
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Oh ok..sorry quite a novice at this
Where can I find something to read up on all this?
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#147 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 13:11
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Im not sure. There are various sources on the internet. Most, maybe all will be biased. Just take the general info from them and ignore the opinion piece. Maybe someone else can provide a good source.
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#148 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 13:20
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If they capture this province, can taliban fully establish it's governance in Afghanistan? If they bring down massoud, what's next?
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#149 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 13:29
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Afghanistan after the Soviets were defeated was completely over run with various warlords who did whatever they pleased. This included kidnapping, rape, murder, robbery, child rape, bacha bazi, etc. It was completely lawless. No one stepped up to do anything meaningful about it. Neither did the Afghans and neither did the international community.

A small group of madrasah students decided to do something about it. They helped return kidnapped girls and protected young boys from being used. More people came to them to seek their help. That's how the Taliban formed. Amongst them was mullah Umar who became their leader.

After enduring the absolute chaos in Afghanistan, the Taliban brought it under control with a heavy hand and the shariah. That's when the northern alliance decided something needs to be done. Not sure where they were when girls and boys were being raped. And when the Taliban implemented the shariah, that's when the international community decided something needed to be done. They did not care about the atrocities that were being carried out by the war lords.

I have left a lot of details out due to time constraints. All this info is available online.
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#150 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2021 13:37
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It's in Allah's hands. If it is Allah's will then it will happen. If the Taliban are ousted again then the sincere ones will carry on with the struggle and they will either get success in this world, and if they don't then they will get success in the hereafter.

One day the world will see the muslim army emerge from that region and go on to subdue the world. This is a fact as it is in the hadith. Whether this is the beginning of it or not is in Allah's knowledge. Whether the Taliban will play a part or not is in Allah's knowledge.
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