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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2019 19:44

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh

A lot has been written about disagreement in the Ummah. However, disagreement is a healthy sign of a sane mind and a thinking attitude.

As long as humans inhabit this Earth, disagreement will not go away. However, disagreement needs to be studied, managed and focused.

No Go:

There are areas in which there is no room for disagreement for us. It does not matter whether we understand or we do not, there is no disagreement on the issue.

We accept and we move on.

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[7:54] Indeed, your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He covers the night with the day, [another night] chasing it rapidly; and [He created] the sun, the moon, and the stars, subjected by His command. Unquestionably, His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, Lord of the worlds.

Lack of Understanding:

The biggest contributor to disagreement is lack of understanding. This is when a person does not or does not want to understand the issue. This is the area where the issue is lost in noise.

It is unfortunate that “Non-Muslims” have made great strides in this area, there are drills and exercises to cut down the noise and focus on the actual area of disagreement.

Muslims have no such practise, it is not a failure of Islam, it is a failure of Muslims. Since our Ulama, leaders and (Islamic institutes) do not lead the way, the layman have no idea how to do it.

Instead of sitting down and saying, let’s see which areas we actually disagreement on…We just go round and round in circles.

Lack of Context:

It is entirely possible for two people to disagree because they view an issue in two different realities.

For example:

  1. India has no Hayati vs Mamati issue
  2. Pakistan is the hot-bed of Hayati vs Mamati issue. The Terrorism, Extremism, Violence in Pakistan is largely perpetrated by “Mamati Deobandees”
  3. America, Canada and South Africa has no Hayati vs Mamati issue
  4. Jamiatul Ulama (Britain) are all Mamati vs Darul-uloom Bury, Wifaqul Ulama and all others are Hayati. The Moonsighting problems in UK are largely managed by “Mamati Deobandees”

It is entirely possible that depending on where a person lives, their understanding is clouded by their local context.

Management:

Disagreement can be easily managed by layman. Layman are obligated to make “Taqleed” and they can simply respond by saying I am a Muqallid so I am making Taqleed.

The problem occurs when layman try to be Mujtahid without having a grasp of the subject and expose their lack of knowledge and experience.

If everyone drives in their own lanes and follows the speed limit, there will be no accidents.

Accidents happen when (natural) laws are violated.  

Resolution:

Once you have drilled down, focused and understood the exact area of disagreement you just need to ask yourself:

  1. Can I manage this disagreement and continue to work together for common cause?
  2. If not, be polite and walk away.

It is unfortunate that “Non-Muslims” have made great strides in this area, there are drills and exercises to manage the actual area of disagreement. Muslims have no such practise, it is not a failure of Islam, it is a failure of Muslims. Since our Ulama, leaders and (Islamic institutes) do not lead the way, the layman have no idea how to do it. Whenever Muslims have a disagreement, they fall apart.

Flamethrowers:

These are the (evil) Muslims who jump in the middle and throw gasoline on the fire. In every dispute, there are those who stoke the fire to enjoy the spectacle.

It is critical to minimise the impact of flamethrowers but continue the discussion. 

Learning:

Nobody has ever learned without disagreement!

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2019 09:09
Agreed !

BTW,despite being a resident of Pakistan I came across the details of hayati-mamati issue only through this forum :)

Off course once I knew I tried to understand it,but I believe I was better off without knowing it...

May be it is discussed somewhere between those who are interested in controversies,laymen neither have appetite for it nor do they have understanding of such issues,so Alhamdolillah we are saved from it.

Ignorance is a blessing:)
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2019 09:52
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Mufti Tariq Masood in video says that in Pakistan, he came to know about hayati mamati issue during his visit to punjab region

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS9srqb7osE
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2019 12:50

Beignning Note: I am NOT a Mamati and I couldn’t care less if they are “Deobandi” or if Hayatees are “Deobandi”

The “Hayati” Deobandees have coined this phrase called “Mamatees”and they are trying to imply that “Mamati” (or dead’ers) believe that Nabi (SallallahoAlaihe Wassallam) is DEAD while Hayatees (or Life’ers) believe that Nabi (SallallahoAlaihe Wassallam) is alive.

This is a LIE because the difference is not in LIFE or DEATH but the nature of Life.  They both believe (just like the ALL Ahlus-Sunnah Wal-Jamaat) that Nabi (SallallahoAlaihe Wassallam) is ALIVE in Barzakh.

  1. Hayatees believe that the impact and affect of the blessed life is SO STRONG that it is like Life of this world
  2. Mamatees believe that it is still BARZAKH.

The Aqeedah of Hayatees is articulated as follows:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai (HA) wrote:

www.central-mosque.com/index.php/Beliefs/life-of-rasul-ul...

The difference between the life of a martyr and of a normal person is that the effects of life is stronger in a martyr. Its example is that of the difference of feeling between the fingertips and the heel of the foot. Life flows in both of them, but feeling and perception is much greater in the fingertips. In the same manner is the effect of life greater in the martyr to the extent it even affects the body of the Shaheed in that it stays fresh in the grave and does not decompose, as is substantiated in the Ahaadith and from eye-witness accounts. This effect of life is only in regards to Barzakh, therefore, in Dunya all the laws that apply to a dead person will also apply to the martyr, his inheritance will be divided and his wife will be able to marry another person. A similar type of life is granted to the Anbiyaa but the effect of their life is even stronger to the extent that together with their bodies being preserved, some effects of their lives in Barzak also become apparent in Dunyaa, hence, their inheritance is not divisible and neither can their wives remarry.

When you want to resolve disagreement you can, BUT if you wish to paint others as deviants and heretics, you can also do that.

Ending Note: I am NOT a Mamati and I couldn’t care less if they are “Deobandi” or if Hayatees are “Deobandi”


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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2019 13:22
My (Our) Aqeedah clearly states a point that:

A man's Islam is not secure unless it is based on submission and surrender. Anyone who desires to know things which it is beyond his capacity to know, and whose intellect is not content with surrender, will find that his desire veils him from a pure understanding of Allah's true unity, clear knowledge and correct belief, and that he veers between disbelief and belief, confirmation and denial and acceptance and rejection. He will he subject to whisperings and find himself confused and full of doubt, being neither an accepting believer nor a denying rejector.
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