You have contributed 0.0% of this topic
I am going to state the same thing the 3rd time to you and let’s hope this time Allah Ta’ala open your heart so it can penetrate inside of you OR if it is penetrating your heart allows your Nafs to accept it.
Things are said in response and in a context so what is the context:
I know “abu Mohammed”
I was joking and being sarcastic in calling him and others “Deobandi”
If you add the context to this discussion, it will become clear as daylight that he IS DENYING the label in that thread and HERE. In other (and very simple terms) whether I am calling him ABC it is irrelevant because he is denying it openly and unambiguously. If I called you a 90 year Grandfather in another thread (and you said I am not), a 3rd person copies and pastes it here what would it do?
I know that You are understanding ALL OF THE ABOVE in plain and simple English!
Lastly, you have accused me of being pedantic and ignoring the obvious. Well! The obviousness (in your perception) also escapes the Mufti Azam of Pakistan (HA) and his father and a whole bunch of others. What is a non-issue (to you), is such an issue to him that he has decides to discuss this a GRAVE PROBLEM to a gathering of Ulama….So again, I know that you are clearly grasping and understanding it in plain English but your Nafs will keep on arguing and keep on twisting and keep on going.
The issue which your esteemed companion is raising about Maulana Ilyas Ghumman (HA) is also superfluous because multiple generations of scholars from Deoband (as in lineage) and graduation are denying the usage!
To top it all off, a large number of Indian/Bangladeshi Muslims DO NOT classify themselves as such. Since your exposure is to Pakistan (North Indian Muslims) this term to you is as dear as the Qur’aan and Sunnah…It is meaningless to most Muslims in native India where it originated from to many Muslims and is it NOT their identity.
In your mind you are misunderstanding a few concepts:
There is no doubt about 1,2 & 3 but 4 is void! This is what Mufti Rafi Usmani (HA) is saying in plain Urdu!
I know that You are understanding ALL OF THE ABOVE in plain and simple English!
If you had the understanding and/or purity of Nafs you will REALISE that we are asking you to DROP the label, you are ARGUING in favour of a label!
In two days this guy has lost his temper, he has abused, he has conflated, he has obfuscated, he has fled, he has accused and people say, “I am confused!”
:lol
Mufti Rafi Usmani (HA) i.e. Grand Mufti of Pakistan (not Mufti of England, not CIA, not Mossad, not Illuminati) has a problem with you using that label!
I understand that the rest of the technical arguments in this thread are beyond your understanding but I know that you fully, clearly and unambiguously understand in plain English what is written above.
Not saying that you agree OR accept it BUT saying that you understand it.
Logoff, go away and drink water!
The Sunnah tells you to do so but your Nafs cannot bring you to follow it!
No but trying to treat you like a child and discuss one issue at a time.
Yesterday (or day before or whenever) you made a point that maybe in UK (Muslims or Muftees) advise not to be Deobandi.
First point is that it is not British Muslims or British Muftees or British Ulama but “Grand Mufti of YOUR OWN COUNTRY” who says it.
Once your Nafs swallows the first part, then we can discuss the rest of your misunderstandings in a clam, calculated manner.
As long as, you don’t have another emotional breakdown or go crazy and start opening more threads.
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.
Please wait...
