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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2018 03:07
Jamal Khashoggi, a critic of Riyadh, had gone to the building in Istanbul seeking documents for his marriage.

Turkish officials believe that missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul and his body later driven from the compound.

Authorities say they believe Khashoggi’s death was premeditated and that Saudi officials had travelled to Istanbul from Riyadh after receiving word that the high-profile critic of the current Saudi leadership planned to visit the consulate.

In an evening of quickfire developments, following four days of silence since his disappearance, officials in Ankara pledged to on Sunday release evidence that they say supports claims that the journalist was killed shortly after he entered the consulate to sign divorce papers. The evidence is expected to include video footage and focus on a black car.

Two Turkish officials claimed to Reuters that Khashoggi, 59, had been killed. The Reuters claim was circulated by a government spokesman, and confirmed by numerous other officials, some of whom claimed to have knowledge of how the body had been disposed of. Several officials alleged, without tabling evidence, that Khashoggi had first been tortured.


Officials believe that a team of 15 Saudis arrived on Tuesday to conduct the killing, then left the country soon afterwards.

The president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, is expected to release a statement about the incident on Sunday. Aside from summonsing the Saudi ambassador in Ankara, senior officials had remained mute about the Khashoggi’s fate, leading to speculation that he had been smuggled out of the country with Turkish consent.

The dramatic Turkish claim instead squarely focuses attentions on Riyadh, in particular Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who on Friday denied any knowledge of Khashoggi’s whereabouts. “If he was here, I would know about it,” the 33-year-old heir to the throne told Bloomberg.

“My understanding is, he entered and he got out after a few minutes or one hour,” said Prince Mohammed. “I’m not sure. We are investigating this through the foreign ministry to see exactly what happened at that time.

“We are ready to welcome the Turkish government to go and search our premises. The premises are sovereign territory, but we will allow them to enter and search and do whatever they want to do. If they ask for that, of course, we will allow them.”

Earlier on Saturday, a Saudi official had dismissed claims that Khashoggi was still inside the consulate and said authorities were “very concerned for his safety”.

Khashoggi had been close to the previous Saudi regime, but fled the kingdom a year ago, soon after the new monarch anointed his son, Prince Mohammed, as prince. He subsequently became an outspoken critic of some aspects of the country’s reform programme, especially the clampdown on political freedoms, and intolerance of dissent.

Khashoggi had a regular column for the Washington Post and had also written for the Guardian. He had sought assurances about his safety from Saudi officials before entering the consulate to sign the divorce papers, a necessary step for him to marry his Turkish fiance, who was waiting for him outside.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2018 19:29
the end of ale salool is close. their zulm knows no bounds
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2018 21:05

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My gut reaction is to believe the Ottomans because Saudees have a record of lying and deceiving.

My Islamic reaction is that we are unable to verify facts and Saudi authorities have the right to put their case forward and we need to hear their side of the story.


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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2018 22:53
It could very well be a third party trying to widen the rift between Saudi Arabia and turkey. It could also be linked to Syria. Get Saudi to support turkey's enemy PKK and Assad indirectly.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2018 22:55
Can't imagine Saudis doing this dirty job themselves, they must have brought blackwater mercenaries with them. It's rumoured that they are already using them in Saudi jails
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 9th October 2018 06:35
Why shouldn't the Saudi government be doing it, since the "prince of arabia" is not fond of critics? What is the reason of not doing it?
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2018 10:10

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www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/turks-tell...

As I have tweeted this morning, this means...

  1. Turkey had Saudi Embassy very well bugged and probably have for a long time
  2. The special team of Saudees including Colonel Maher Mutreb (Saudi Embassy, London) got played like little children by the Turkish Intelligence

Well played Ottomans👍

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 13:00

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 https://www.wired.com/story/jamal-khashoggis-apple-watch-investigation/

Actually it might be his Apple Watch and not the Ottomans bugging the consulate. The "clever" Saudees may have forgotten to take his watch off before torturing and killing him

Is this true or Turkey does not want to admit that they had the Embassy bugged.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 13th October 2018 16:14
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“Two senior Turkish officials previously told Reuters that Khashoggi had been wearing a black Apple watch when he entered the consulate and that it was connected to a mobile phone he left outside.
“Sabah, which cited ‘reliable sources in a special intelligence department’ for its report, said Khashoggi was believed to have turned on the recording feature on the phone before entering the consulate.
“The paper said Saudi intelligence agents had realized after he died that the phone was recording and they used his fingerprint to unlock it, deleting some files, but not all of them. The recordings were subsequently found on his phone, it said.”
Sabah had also claimed that after the allegedly fatal encounter, “while Saudis were able to wipe certain files from Khashoggi's device or devices, they were less successful in deleting data from iCloud,” which apparently had already “transferred files” to his phone “which he had left with a woman outside the consulate.”
The inference from the reports were also that health data collected by the Apple Watch could provide answers into health data, such as his heart rate, location or other clues.
A Tech Crunch fact-checker report stated:
“But even if Khashoggi entered the Saudi consulate wearing that model, a third-generation Apple Watch (which Khashoggi was pictured wearing) does not support cellular connections in Turkey, effectively ruling out any chance that his health data synced either with his iPhone outside or Apple’s servers.
“It’s also unlikely that the watch connected to a known Wi-Fi network inside the consulate, or that the watch was within close enough range to sync with his iPhone outside using Bluetooth.
“In any case, if health data from Khashoggi’s watch was transmitted over the air to Apple’s iCloud where it could be synced with his iPhone, the data is end-to-end encrypted with his passcode.
“Not even Apple — and therefore law enforcement — can access this data, meaning any evidence of his whereabouts will be on his iPhone.”
On Twitter, others also speculated about the fingerprint unlock feature that Daily Sabah mentioned, as unlocking an Apple Watch using fingerprint verification is not a feature of the device, an Apple representative told CNN."
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 14th October 2018 15:34
To me it increasingly look like the Saudi Royal family was lead into this crisis and they jumped into it like a blind would do,that is, assuming they did commit this act,a crime indeed, but worse, a blunder of immense proportions..

Khashoggi was no radical,he was not against the royals,even his criticism was more like an advise,why then he was considered such a big threat to be eliminated ? Even if he was supposed to be eliminated why was it carried out in such a blatant way ? Such operations require cover ups,layers upon layers, so that finger pointing becomes extremely difficult,and proving the crime almost impossible.He could be killed in a very discrete way by unknown assailants without leaving any trace of connection to the kingdom.Killing him, assuming he is killed, in the Saudi embassy with all the proof available of his entry into the embassy but no exit,is either a sign of extreme arrogance or extreme stupidity...

Either the Saudi,s did not do it or they got guarantees that 'everyone' will look the other way while they kill...in the first instance it is a carefully crafted conspiracy against the Saudi royals while in the second instance it reminds me of Saddam invading Kuwait. Probably he was also assured that the world would look the other way if he invades Kuwait...

It might look like a conspiracy theory to some,but I can't believe all the people in Saudi government and intellegence are so utterly stupid to have done it so blatantly.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 14th October 2018 15:52

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Anyone who has ever done Umrah or Hajj (by experience) knows that Saudees are extremely arrogant, unprofessional and stupid. They cannot organise anything!

The Royal family is the zenith of it, all. I would not be surprised if they thought that they could get away with murdering someone in a foreign country based on what Russia did in London.

Professionally, there is a difference of night and day between KGB and Saudi Intelligence, in fact it is a joke to write both in the same sentence.

Turkey is a NATO country so professionally they are competent and able. Right now, they are itching to hurt Saudia so their intelligence will go out of its way to hurt Saudia.

P.S: I know KGB doesn't exist but its the same people with a different alphabets so whatever KGB is called these days...

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 16th October 2018 23:22
sickning details are now being released. saudis cut him to pieces whilst alive. i dont expect anything to happen to ale salool though they are blaming rouge agents and trump is accepting it. the arrogance of these people. i hope Allah makes an example of them in this life as well as next
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 17th October 2018 11:01

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www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-khashoggi-829291552

It took seven minutes for Jamal Khashoggi to die, a Turkish source who has listened in full to an audio recording of the Saudi journalist's last moments told Middle East Eye. Khashoggi was dragged from the consul-general’s office at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul and onto the table of his study next door, the Turkish source said. Horrendous screams were then heard by a witness downstairs, the source said.

"The consul himself was taken out of the room. There was no attempt to interrogate him. They had come to kill him,” the source told MEE.

The screaming stopped when Khashoggi - who was last seen entering the Saudi consulate on 2 October - was injected with an as yet unknown substance.

Salah Muhammad al-Tubaigy, who has been identified as the head of forensic evidence in the Saudi general security department, was one of the 15-member squad who arrived in Ankara earlier that day on a private jet.

Tubaigy began to cut Khashoggi’s body up on a table in the study while he was still alive, the Turkish source said.

The killing took seven minutes, the source said.

As he started to dismember the body, Tubaigy put on earphones and listened to music. He advised other members of the squad to do the same.

“When I do this job, I listen to music. You should do [that] too,” Tubaigy was recorded as saying, the source told MEE.

A three-minute version of the audio tape has been given to Turkish newspaper Sabah, but they have yet to release it.

A Turkish source told the New York Times that Tubaigy was equipped with a bone saw. He is listed as the president of the Saudi Fellowship of Forensic Pathology and a member of the Saudi Association for Forensic Pathology.

In 2014, London-based Saudi newspaper Asharaq al-Awsat interviewed Tubaigy about a mobile clinic that allows coroners to perform autopsies in seven minutes to determine the cause of death of Hajj pilgrims.

The newspaper reported that the mobile clinic was partly designed by Tubaigy and could be used in "security cases that requires pathologist intervention to perform an autopsy or examine a body at the place of a crime”.

These are the first details to emerge of the Saudi journalist’s killing. Khashoggi was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October to retrieve paperwork.

To date, Saudi officials have strongly denied any involvement in his disappearance and say that he left the consulate soon after arriving. However, they have not presented any evidence to corroborate their claim and say that video cameras at the consulate were not recording at the time.

Calls for credible investigation grow louder

On Tuesday, both US President Donald Trump and Mike Pompeo, his secretary of state, came out in support of Saudi officials's denials they know anything about what happened to Khashoggi.

Trump tweeted that he spoke to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who "totally denied any knowledge of what took place" in Istanbul. Trump said MBS told him "that he has already started, and will rapidly expand, a full and complete investigation into this matter".

On Monday, CNN reported that Saudi Arabia was preparing to release a report that would blame Khashoggi's death on a botched interrogation.

That would be a sharp reversal of earlier statements in which Saudi officials said they had nothing to do with the journalist's disappearance and said he left the Saudi consulate minutes after he first arrived on 2 October.

Khashoggi, a prominent journalist and columnist for the Washington Post, had been living in self-imposed exile in the US capital when he disappeared.

On Tuesday, Washington Post publisher and CEO Fred Ryan called for a "full and honest explanation" of Khashoggi's disappearance.

"The Saudi government can no longer remain silent, and it is essential that our own government and others push harder for the truth," Ryan said in a statement. "Until we have a full account and full accountability, it cannot be business as usual with the Saudi government."

The United Nations human rights chief also called for diplomatic immunity to be lifted for officials who might be involved in Khashoggi's disappearance.

Due to the seriousness of the case, the immunity generally accorded to diplomats "should be waived immediately", Michelle Bachelet said.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 17th October 2018 14:05
nothing will happen at all it will be blamed on rogue agents. what i want to know is why did they kill him? there been far more critical dissidents. even before bin laden رضي الله عنه became the bogeyman he openly called them apostated and called for them to be toppled and wasnt even in hiding that time yet they didnt make a move for him. numerous others havs criticised them but most they suffered was being jailed. did he know something incriminating or something? i dont see why they would go out their way to kill a journalisy
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 17th October 2018 14:34

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Because MBS is a a narcssist and his pride was hurt.  

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