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#511 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd June 2023 19:18

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They need nationalist and patriot rulers. Deen and taqwa can be brought in them if they are honest.

There are many options to reform these honest leaders, even if they have zero knowledge about deen.

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#512 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd June 2023 19:39

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Bismillah.

I wonder how long it will take for someone to object to your above remark.

And point out Nationalism is Haram.

So far your comments about Cricket dispute with India have been misunderstood. Your remarks concerning the use of the word Reset has been misunderstood.

Now you have jumped into Nationalism.

Besides guidance only comes from ALLAH.
Even atheists or pseudo atheists can be Nationalists.

Kemal attaturk was a Nationalist, Jamal Abdel Nasir was a nationalist. But both were devoid of Deen.

Any leader who leader who considers himself a nationalist but is devoid of the concept or concern for the wider ummah. Is like a poisonous snake.

Both MBS of Saudi and MBZ of U.A.E. Consider themselves Nationalists. That is as far as they are concerned they have a duty to put the economic interests of their own people above and beyond everything else.

The oppression of Muslims around the world is no concern of theirs. That is why they have strengthened relations with the BJP in India, with Netanyahu in Israel etc.

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#513 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2023 02:00

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It is relative.

Secularism vs islam

Democracy vs istam

For we Indians secular and leaders with democratic principles is God send gift. Because other side is fanatics and fascism. Similarly UK Muslims are safe under democracy, patriotism, nationalists. If this is not understood, visit present India. 9 years back there were fatawa on democracies etc. Today the same people do dua for return of democracy.

Similarly in the prevailing situation pak need patriotic and nationalist leader. This is because other side is chaos.

Getting a leader like umar bin abdul azeez RA is impossible.

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#514 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2023 02:33

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I think you need understand what the word “Nationalist” means. In U.K. we are safe because the “Nationalist” groups are still are a minority.

The Nationalists believe U.K. should only be for white people. And the only religion should be Christianity.

And it same for the “Nationalist” parties and groups across Europe.

Nationalist ideology is akin to Hindutva. Except in Europe they believe should only be for white and Christian people.

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#515 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2023 08:34

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Muslims survived in India when Indian nationalism existed. We said we are part of India.

Today it is Hindu nationalism. And we are removed from Indian nation.

Today in UK you may not call it UK nationalism, but muslims have a space, you can declare I am proud to a British and survive. But if that changes to White or Christian nationalism then things will be like India.

If in Pak leader thinks of development of pak and pak alone.... welcome. He need not worry about others. you call it pak nationalism... welcome.
If pak leaders hates interference from outside pak, welcome.... go ahead build your ruined country based your own ideas, welcome. You be a pak nationalist and go ahead.

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#516 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2023 12:46

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Is there anything wrong, if someone supports his group?
Of course unity to harm others is haraam

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#517 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2023 06:40

I told my non-muslim colleague that I could buy food items at Muscat Airport and during my stay in Makkah using Indian currency (rupees) (Total amount Could be 2 thousand rupees).

My colleague got wild, he said why didn't you officially exchange rupees to Foreign currency. These rupees will fall into hands of anti-national elements and they hurt India.

I was thinking I am boasting that see, Indian currency is valued in gulf.

True Nationalism. "Nation above self"

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#518 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2023 08:26

Problem with the Nationalistic approach of "Nation above self" is that these days it amounts to "Nation above your fate in the akhirah". Your nationalistic identity is not your identity. That will always be Muslim and your life should be structured around that identity. Today the so-called nationalists treat nation as their God. They convey the idea that you are nothing without your nation and all the patriotic garbage that comes along with it. That is simply not true.

Muslims trying to find ways to subscribe and propagate modern-day nationalism is very alarming. Our message should be "hukumat say nahi hota, riyasat say nahi hota, mulk say nahi hota" which in short means that if in the future Allah Wills for us that we Muslims are stranded without a nation, we will not be whining about not being able to practice Islam in some nation of ours. Rather we'll practice Islam wherever we are, in whatever condition we are, in whatever way we can. A nation of our own is a blessing of Allah, but even if he takes that blessing away, we do not stop being Muslims or we do not stop being held accountable to Islam's rules.

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#519 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2023 10:07

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Pak cannot unite on Islam. They can unite on nationalism, like they unite during indo pak cricket match.

India, pakistan, BD freedom war was fought under nationalism umbrella. The leaders had to unite masses from different religions, languages, regions... the only option available was Indian nationalism.

Read Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani RA books on this subject.

Note: When achievements of tableeghi jamaath are presented to salafees by a tableeghee, salafi replies "your achievements are through bida'ah, shirk, zaeef path. So null and void"

Similarly pak got freedom through nationalism, "a haraam path", so shall they return their freedom. Recall the British,,,,

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#520 [Permalink] Posted on 8th June 2023 12:37

Bismillah.

Anyone with any association with Imran Khan is being targeted.

Maulana Tariq Jameel has been targeted with propaganda by the authorities.
youtu.be/-tq91Z0jJy4

It also begs a question as to why Maulana chose to have such a close and public friendship with Imran Khan.

This propaganda campaign by rival political parties. Started several years ago who saw it as an affront.

Videos of him have been distorted and edited misrepresentations have took place.

Not sure if it wise for a Scholar to be seen as someone who favours one group over another.

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#521 [Permalink] Posted on 8th June 2023 15:17

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#522 [Permalink] Posted on 8th June 2023 15:23

Jahangir Tareen launches Istehkam-i-Pakistan Party with PTI defectors by his side

Jahangir Khan Tareen, who once used to be a close aide of the PTI chief, has launched a new party, the Istehkam-i-Pakistan Party (IPP) on 8 June 2023.

Around one hundred leaders from all around Pakistan attended a dinner organized by Aleem Khan, where it was revealed that Istehkam-e-Pakistan had been formed. Growing tensions between Tareen and the PTI leadership, particularly Imran Khan as party chairman, led to the declaration.

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#523 [Permalink] Posted on 8th June 2023 17:41

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I quote from Ali Mian Nadvi RA:

Either the pious must lead nation or pious must reform the leaders.

While the pious were busy with issuing fatwah against Imran Khan, MTJ came forward to reform Imran khan. Many ulema including maulana Manzoor Mengal went against MTJ.

MTJ had met Parvez musharraf with sole intention of reforming him. Junaid jamshed had arranged for a meeting with musharraf.

as part of reformation process MTJ might have praised Imran's positive actions or intentions. MTJ never spoke against anyone who hated Imran.

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#524 [Permalink] Posted on 8th June 2023 17:58

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youtu.be/Rnk9Fhk0G2w

He spoke out against parties who did regime change and called them sellouts.

And he previously stated that there has never been a leader like Imran Khan in Pakistan.
youtu.be/Rnk9Fhk0G2w

The establishment and politicians saw these as taking sides. And have opposed and attacked him. Including the Maulanas attached to The party of Maulana Fazlur Rahman.

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#525 [Permalink] Posted on 8th June 2023 18:23

Maulana Tariq Jamil is free to have his own opinions as an aalim and he may have sincerely thought that supporting IK was the requirement of the time, but this mizaaj was very much against the adaab propagated by elders of Tabligh. Especially Haji Abdul Wahab رحمة الله عليه. And we can see the wisdom in that now that the mudslinging has started.

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