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#421 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2023 09:22

As per some pious people , IK was good in speech however IK was trying to bring to un-Islamic changes in the society .

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#422 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2023 09:57

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Is Vendetta Islamic?

Is irrelevant crimes to corner a person Islamic? funny law?

IK did it to nawaz, nawaz to IK... continues.. reminds us of kuffar e makkah.

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#423 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2023 16:38

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I would disagree there is nothing more corrupt then the Politicians Pakistan...If there was no Army the likes of Zardari would have even sold the sand and soil of Pakistan by the bucket load.

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#424 [Permalink] Posted on 12th May 2023 14:07

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Interesting. I think you have been out of touch with Pakistani politics for too long. What you are saying was the belief of the public up until the late 90's I guess. Now everything has been laid out in the open for us. The emperor is pretty much naked.

The military and politicians have been hand in hand for the last 75 years with 99% of the loot going to the military and 1% to the politicians.

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#425 [Permalink] Posted on 12th May 2023 14:49

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Indian majority laughs at these incidents across the border.

They say "see... this is Islam, this is Islam khilaafath governance"

Even the elite and liberal muslims say "Secular democracies are better than Islamic governments"

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#426 [Permalink] Posted on 12th May 2023 15:56

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What can we say apart from agreeing with them? This is the state of the entire Muslim ummah. Humiliated and pathetic.

Historically, there have only been 2 kinds of groups that have dominated the world and have been respected. It's either the completely Muslim group or the completely kafir group. The people who have lingered in between the Muslim and kafir ideology have always been utterly humiliated.

That's what we are. The Muslims of today. Born Muslims, wanting to be called Muslim, but desiring the lifestyle of the kuffar.

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#427 [Permalink] Posted on 12th May 2023 21:00

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Pakistan does not have an Islamic system of governance.

Islamic Republic is just a symbolic title. Pakistan is secular in every other sense.

India itself has every type of criminal in their Parliament I don’t think they are in a position to gloat.

The police and Judiciary along with Media are all under the subjugation of Modi.

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#428 [Permalink] Posted on 12th May 2023 21:46

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Bismillah.

So basically all the institutions of power are corrupt.

The military is corrupt.
The politicians are corrupt.
The police and judiciary are corrupt.
The Media and Journalists are corrupt.

Imran Khan was the best of a bad lot. Has suddenly developed some kind of Messianic complex often seen in cult leaders.

He used to once upon a time many moons ago, rail against those politicians who organised or encouraged mass street protests, saying that innocent and poor get killed at such events leaving behind widows and children and even if they are not killed directly. With protestors blocking roads many people in dire need of medical assistance may not be able to reach hospitals and end up dying in their vehicles. Labelled it as irresponsible behaviour. And also the destruction of property that takes place at such protests.

Now he is engaged in and encouraging the same. Whilst he himself takes precautions and is surrounded by security.

Reminds me of Dr Tahir Ul Qadri and his bullet proof containers, fitted with all the creature comforts. Whilst supporters have to brave the elements and the hardship.

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#429 [Permalink] Posted on 13th May 2023 01:46

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Every Pakistani blames military, politicians, bureaucrats for the present Pakistan. And the masses are junaid baghdadis. They say:

Why pay taxes in my own country?
Why buy tickets in public transport owned by public.
Why pay electricity bills, pay bribes and use electricity illegally.
To get picture of Pakistan, Indians advice to visit india's hindi belt.
There are developed Indian states. Here infrastructure is world class, of course people pay taxes honestly.

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#430 [Permalink] Posted on 13th May 2023 13:22

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The real problem is that they are not Junaid Baghdadis. If they were they would have understood you can't cure cancer by applying a bandage. These are your Muslims of today, who grew up within the structures of kuffar, with the beliefs of kuffar and within those structures and beliefs the ones who think military and politicians are the problem are the ones who actually do pay taxes, who do pay their bills and who, as far as they are concerned are upstanding citizens. So as far as they are concerned they are entitled to military and politicians that follow the law and not the mafia that we have now.

As for whether this will be a long term cure or a short term one, they don't care. Most of them will recognize that changing the hearts of people in the way desired by the TJ is actually the better solution but they also don't have the patience for that. They will tell you it will take too long, they'd rather use the means of kuffar to achieve a quicker resolution. The former method means their coming generations might get to enjoy the fruits of THEIR efforts while they rot away in their graves. While the latter means they might in their own lifetimes get to see a world where they are not treated as the Sudras of the world and are living economically prosperous lives.

So the real problem is that the Muslims of today are not Junaid Baghdadis else this discussion wouldn't even have been needed.

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#431 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2023 09:53

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the ones who think military and politicians are the problem are the ones who actually do pay taxes, who do pay their bills and who, as far as they are concerned are upstanding citizens

This honest citizens group is less than 1℅. Brother, do you agree.

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#432 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2023 13:55

PKR 60 Billion Dacoity explained

NCA UK returns £190 MILLION TO THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN

NATIONAL CRIME AGENCY - UK investigated a flagged Transaction of 190 Million Pounds in UK.

The amount was used to Purchase a Property in UK by MALIK RIAZ in Pakistan.

FAILING to disclose Source of income & legality of Funds, NCA-UK returned the money to GOVT/People of Pakistan.

The 190 Million Pounds / PKR 60 Billion was to go to treasury of GOVT OF PAKISTAN, But instead went straight back to MALIK RIAZ.

2 WEEKS Later, MALIK RIAZ donated land WORTH PKR 8-10 Billion to Al-Qadir Trust.

> The Trust has 3 Directors ONLY:

o Imran Khan Niazi
o Bushra Maneka (IK's wife)
o Farhat Hashmi (Farah Gogii)

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#433 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2023 14:09

Why most of the people of Pakistan is believing Imran Khan while not believing Moulana Fazlurahman sb ?

Could any one from Pakistan answer this ?

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#434 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2023 14:10

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elected governments can be changed either by ballot or military boot.

Who will change the masses, the common pakistanis.
Who has the magic wand?
Everyone is honest, everyone pays taxes. the bureaucrats, govt employees, the administration are efficient and honest.

(I am not saying TJ or tasawwuf is the solution, TJ/tasawwuf can offer a few samples, but can't change the entire nation.)

If that cannot happen.... then...... let us not complain, live with the disease.

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#435 [Permalink] Posted on 14th May 2023 15:40

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People are loyal to their parties and its leaders.

JUI-F has a smaller base compared to PTI.

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