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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 11:45

Just spoke to a Maulana about the issue and I heard him explain the latest scandal and just presented two facts:

2002 Elections:

  1. Maulana Fazal-ur-Rahman led MMA captured 63 seats (Nationally) and 68 seats in KPK and formed provincial Government
  2. In the next elections it was routed nationally (10 seats) and destoryed in KPK. Pushtuns voted for ANP which is a Secular, leftists party instead of the ULAMA (let that sink in...)

2013 Elections:

  1. Imran Khan's PTI won 38 seats and formed Government in KPK
  2. In the next elections they are poised to lead Pakistan

The Point?

If the Pushtuns who are the most conservatives in Pakistan rejected fellow Pushtun Ulama after seeing their performance for 5 years, there is no way Ulama in Pakistan can win anything (politically)

This is not an Islamic comparison but a political one.

PTI went from a much smaller (provincial share) to a national Government in 5 years while Ulama were routed with a much bigger national and overwhelming provincial Government.

People will not vote for someone simply because he is an Alim.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 13:21
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if the ulama and the muslims who claim to be on the sunnah, openly and practically demonstrated the life of the rasool (saw) then the people would back them in droves. in pakistan we have the poor and the destitute, we have the oppressed, we have the sick, we have the lowly workers who barely manage to scrape out a living, we have the orphans, the widows, the elderly etc. if we help and provide for them as we should be doing then they would fully back the ulama. i know it might not be as simple as that, but it is a good start.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 14:24
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The major Islamic movements (of Pakistan at least) lack the concept of social welfare. Look how Ikhwan ul Muslimeen won the hearts of Egyptians even if they failed politically because of some other factors. This was their social welfare program which brought respect and love in people for them. This feature is lacking in TJ and other deeni organizations (political or non political). People don't want slogans and rhetoric. People want their basic needs to be met. If you do welfare on a smaller scale as a non government person, people will trust you to hand over bigger and major responsibility.

IK's Shaukat Khanam did that. Also his struggle against corruption and the improvement of police, education and health sector in KPK won the hearts of people.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 14:25
People want their material needs being taken care of first before their spiritual needs are met.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 14:26
We can see the same thing in Erdagon's case. He also first concentrated on the economy of the country and when he won the trust of most of his nation then did he dare to take bold steps in changing the constitution and the system.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 15:07
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Assalamu alaikum
I agree with your post except for this last point: "People will not vote for someone simply because he is an Alim." It is the complete opposite of reality because people have voted for MMA simply because they're ulama, otherwise they do not have any special attribute.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 15:09

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 They did in 2002 but no longer and that is my point.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 15:16
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They've still got 12 seats in the national assembly...Majority would have voted if these ulama had some dignity..
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 15:32

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If Deobandees in Pakistan have any shame they should 100% denounce Maulana Fazlur-Rahman’s speech about Pakistan Army. If Ulama have any shame they should RESIGN from MMA unless Maulana Fazlur-Rahman is removed OR force him out.

Pakistan Army are not innocent, they are not Sunnah lovers but for the sake of Pakistan he needs to be clearly refuted and denounced.

His words are poison for the state of Pakistan.


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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2018 19:41
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 12th August 2018 07:59
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I agree, Maulana Fazlur-Rahman should be expelled from MMA at once. He has also afforded people like Zaid Hamid an opportunity to heap abuses on Deoband akabireen.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 12th August 2018 08:32
A TV anchor was saying that the common wisdom about the Maulana is that he is Usooli ( man of principles) till Wasooli (till he gets his principal=money).

Why do we want to know more about this man? What a burden on the back as well as the conscience of the Ummah.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2018 09:25
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So true,particularly as Islam is not the religion which differentiate between Din and Dunya.In Islam Dunya becomes Din (if earned and spent for the sake of Allah swt) and Din becomes Dunya (if practiced for the sake of prestige,wealth and fame).The concept of Ibadaat in Islam is not limited to only the rituals of it,but extends to exemplary conduct and behaviour, taking care of one,s civic duties,monitory dealings and social justice ( عدلِ اجتماعی/ سیاست).

Pukhuns are a politically aware and democratic nation as per its traditions.Even its poor are devoid of slave mentality and vote according to their conscious rather than compulsions.They love Din, and support Uluma when they find them working for Din and do the exact opposite of it when they find uluma seeking vote for their own personal glory. The overwhelming vote for Uluma in 2002 was a reflection of Pukhtun resistance against the collaboration of Mushrraf with infidels as well as their show of support for Mujahideen across the border fighting against the alliance of 43 kafir nations led by America.

When Uluma failed them by proving themselves to be selfish and as much money oriented as traditional politicians,they defeated them badly in the next election and voted for Pukhtun nationalists expecting them to deliver...

The PTI government was by no means ideal in the last 5 years but better than both Uluma and nationalists.It was very clear that they honestly wanted to make a difference.They failed in some aspects and succeeded in other aspects,but their intentions were transparent and clean,they deserved a second chance and they got it....

Deobandi Uluma seriously need to rethink about where they are heading to...for how long can the name of their Akabir help them ? For how long those slogans of “پدرم سلطان بود “ (My father was a king) can save them the day ? Till when will they keep talking about the ‘silk movement’ of Shaikh ul Hind رحمہ اللہ and the skirmish of Shamili ( which happened in 1857). They have nothing positive to show in the recent past and a lot of water has passed under the bridges since then....

May Allah help us all...


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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 27th August 2018 22:39
Opposition except PPP has nominated Maulana Fazlur Rehman for president slot

PTI has named Arif Alvi

PPP has picked Aitzaz Ahsan

Voting for the election will be held in the National Assembly and the four provincial assemblies from 10:00am to 4:00pm on September 4.

Opposition's vote is fractured and PTI has numbers to make Arif Alvi the next president of Pakistan
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