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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 20th June 2018 05:16
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 Yes everyone agree it's better at gome but some or rather many say it is categorically impermissible to come to the eid gah (and we're not even talking about massajid)

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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 20th June 2018 16:02

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Let me repeat what I have said multiple times.

As far as UK is concerned, majority of the Ulama know the local (council) regulations and the prevalent political culture so they are NOT stupid enough to advocate any such thing at all.

The issue of women attending Eidgah was caused by a visiting South African Shaykh who decided to insert himself into the local (city) situation and issued a Fatwa. His students/Mureeds (in UK) decided to oppose the local Ulama and called for a meeting. The meeting was leaked to the local Media and it became a closed meeting because a public issue. When the students/Mureeds of the South African scholar were confronted by the Media and the local Muslims, it became problematic for them to sustain their views.

“Concerned” is not from UK and has no local knowledge or facts to back up his crusade and clutches on straws to make his argument. There is no doubt that there are Ulama who hold the view of prohibition of women attending Mosques but they are minority to non-existent in UK.

If women are restricted in a UK Mosque, ONE PHONE CALL will get the Mosque shut down and the Charity investigated.

Older, non-English speaking Scholars visiting the West GET THIS POINT. People like “Concerned” and others DO NOT because it will pop their balloons.
 
Listen to Shaykh (Mufti) Saeed Ahmed Palanpuri (HA) in Urdu or English, he has grasped the issue...

www.central-mosque.com/index.php/General-Fiqh/womenmosque...


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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 21st June 2018 22:57
The issue is not UK-centred but rather desi-centered and affecting half of its population. The issue of women attending mosques is also in question and I believe all is not that rosy since in many mosques there exists no enclosure for women for peayer.
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 19th August 2018 18:40
Mufti Tariq Masood explains there is a difference of opinion regarding women attending eid, why some didn't allow women to attend eid, and why women should now be allowed to attend eid gah once proper facilities are in place:

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 19th August 2018 20:08
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 19th August 2018 20:25
Jazak Allahu khairan
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 19th August 2018 20:35
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 19th August 2018 21:33
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2020 17:56
Another recent response from Mufti Tariq Masood:

"In our time there is more fitnah in women not coming to the Masjid"

youtu.be/eeaBIdhP-do
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2020 19:24
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"4th of May 2020" , today is 21st of September 2020.

orginal already discussed and included in the article with an English translation
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2020 19:33
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In the end, Mufti sab has stressed to follow the ulema in this regard. It is his personal view

Mufti sab says, it is his personal view, in earlier period, ladies were staying at home, only public place where they can mix with men was masjid. So they stopped ladies visiting masjid. Today ladies are everywhere.

I disagree here with mufti sab, (because it is his personal opinion not a fatwah).

Let me place a report from one Muslim majority country. Here ladies in general wear skirt or shorts and tight T-shirt. They do wudhu with this dress,enter the masjid, wear a long gown hung inside the masjid to cover the body, then they offer salah mixed with other men. And no one can object them.

One christian young man told that, it is happening for years, every Sunday, before visiting the church he makes intention that he will fully concentrate on prayers, never look at young girls around. Never this has happened.

Do we like this to happen in our masajid.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2020 19:38
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Which article? The one on central mosque? I saw the other two earlier responses translated on the website. This is the most recent one and hasn't been translated as far as I am aware.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2020 20:42
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Just to clarify, Mufti Sahib is not saying it is only his personal view that women in the past mostly used to stay at home, and going to the Masjid would result in an excuse or cause for their having to leave the home. This is mentioned by many others in articles and fatwas dealing with this subject. Some classical scholars say thay if a woman is not fulfilling the conditions of going to the masjid, then to a greater degree she should be prevented from going anywhere else. Staying at home was the norm, and going to the masjid was a valid exception to the rule.


As to your last query, then know that the Prophet Salalahu alayhi wasalam never banned women from coming to the masjid, despite their prayer at home being better according to some ahadith. Women continued to pray in the Masjid in the time of the 4 caliphs, and certainly women prayed in Masjid Nabawi without partitions from the time of the Rasul salalahu alayhi waslam until 1995. None of the 4 Imams banned all women from the masjid at all times, nor did they say a Masjid should not facilitate any women who needs to enter the masjid.

And just like a women has to abide by certain conditions and dress code to go out in public in general, then she also has to adopt those same guidelines when going to the masjid. Regarding a women herself going out specifically to the masjid, then yes the madhabs throughout history have various opinions, restrictions and allowances, based on their situations and time periods.
Also bear in mind that most masajid nowadays have separate ladies sections where men do not see the women inside the masjid. If one looks out the masjid window, then in many countries one would see inappropriately dressed non Muslim women strolling pass outside of the Masjid.
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2020 21:23
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I see majority of local Maulanas and Alimas out at fair like events and eating out in public places with music blasting nearby and alcohol served at nearby stalls. I ask them if they would send their wives to an Eid salah that allows women ? They say NO! They don't wish to engage or argue their justifications for banning women from Eid. They listen quitely or get emotional and offended. Many of them aren't even aware that prior to around 400 AH, hanafis allowed old women to go to eid and the masjid. Some separate "Islamic" Activities from "non Islamic" Activities. They say the fatwa is only for eid and masjid, we have no fatwa against other non Islamic Activities at other venues . They say there is one rule for the masjid and separate rules for fairs. These graduates are from the top UK amd India Darul Ulooms.

I wonder what message and lessons they are teaching the young girs growing up. Go wherever "halal" venue you want to go to and take part in whatever "halal" activities you wish. Don't mind there is freemingling with non Muslims, scantily clad women, and music and alcohol at such venues or activities. Stay away from those things and have "halal" recreation with the family. Just make sure and think that it is wrong to go to the Eid gah and listen to the bayan and engage in dua. Oh but on any other holiday feel free to go on picnics at crowded parks with both Muslims and non muslims.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2020 21:59
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During nabavi period women prayed in the last rows.

Today wherever they allow women in masjid including today's masjid e nabavi, there is separate ladies section. That means things have changed and there is a fear.

That is what mother of ummah Ayesha RA had foreseen.

And we tell our ladies, it is obligatory on us to offer Salah in masjid, while you get the benefit of congregation at luxury of homes.

Mufti Tariq Masood sab opinion about the permission is to benefit the ladies with the sermons offered at the the masjid, (separate lectures can be arranged elsewhere also).

He is not permitting it, to get ladies the benefits of congregation Salah (which they are getting at home itself)
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