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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2017 12:24
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since rise and now the inevitable fall of IS i want to know if we muslims in general have any real desire to establish a khilafah. for all the evil, fasaad and bloodshed one positive i find is that if muslims really wanted to we can establish a true and pure califate. isis had no support from muslims ( rightly so) and where built upon extremist, disunity and spilling blood of fellow muslims yet they still managed to get a small however small it may have been.

imagine muslims declared one choose a person we all accept, had backing of ulema, was built on unity, quran, sunnah. what is stopping us? we are not weak either. infact we the the strongest we have ever been. financially and miliary we are far superior than the sahaba and salaf ever were.

Allah has shown us great victories in our lifetime. afghans beat both the soviets and more recently USA with all her allies. even today in mosul a few 100 khawaarij is are still holding their ground against the entire coalition and ground soliders of iraq.

the biggest weapon non muslims have over us is fear and belief that we are too weak to do anything and that they are too powerful. its true they have nukes, military might, economic power but we have Allah. i think we can accomplish anything if we muslims really put our minds to it. once IS are gone we should think how we can establish a true khilfah which show islam in its true light and not as a barbaric group who go around killing anyone who differs with them. we have the manpower, money and armies for it,
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2017 15:01
where can we establish a khilafat?
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2017 17:03
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whereever muslims really desire it.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2017 18:49
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2017 18:54
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True, that was not the mission of the prophet nor his khaliphs, the mission is to spread Tawheed.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2017 21:21
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but what if the rulers/government dont desire it?
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2017 21:26
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is khilafat rule regarded as just a sunnah of the prophet (saw)?
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2017 08:04
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The positive aspect of the material on above link is that by the Grace of Allah SWT there is some discussion in the Arab world on issues that are effectively forbidden there.
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Abu Dhabi: Islam is all about justice, equality and peace, it is not about forms of rule.[/quote]
This sinner too has the same feelings and this sinner also feels that by now whole Ummah is aware of the fact that Islam inherently has no inclination towards either kingdom or democracy. I suppose we can take that as the starting point and talk about more pressing and crucial aspects of the problem.

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It teaches that human beings have a moral obligation to live in harmony with one another, according rights to all human beings regardless of race, colour or creed and requiring its followers to show respect and tolerance even to those who do not share their faith, scholars said yesterday (Sunday).
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Islam talks to human beings and Islam talks to Muslims and Islam talks to believers. And this distinction is important.
The conferences like the one linked above are more about pleasing non-Muslims than about implementing Islam in Muslim society. In turn this agenda is dictated by the political necessity of the ruling dispensations in the Arab world. It is neither about Muslims nor about Islam but the vested and entrenched interests of the rulers there.

As we Muslims have most painfully learned in last couple of years that not only UAE, a small conglomeration of rich principalities, but Saudi Arab herself cares too hoots about us and our condition. Saudia is not merely warming up to Saffron ruled India but has turned a blind eye to the worsening by the day security situation of Indian Muslims. UAE rules are attending the Indian Republic Day parade as chief guest and are either oblivious to our situation or simply do not give a d-a-m-n.

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Scholars told the Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies held in Abu Dhabi that caliphate rule is not a pillar of Islam, but rather an organisational option.[/quote]
Is it not strange that this rather than sounding like enunciation of an Islamic principle sounds more like an asurance to someone who is scared of the caliphate? Whom was the conference assuring? Is Islam a putty to be moulded into a form that suits vested interests? The west might be pleased with this rhetoric but what about 1.6 billion the world over? Are they too foolish to understand this perfidy? Can't the powers that be see that even Muslims the world over are becoming aware of their rights and the injustice that is being done to them the world over?
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“Islam did not set a rigid form of government, but rather fundamentals that, once followed, the governance becomes good,” Dr Mokhtar Juma, Egypt’s Minister of Islamic Endowments, told the forum in its third edition.[/quote]
Once again this statement sounds like an apology. It looks like the speaker is giving a cryptic message to some powers beyond the walls of the conference that we shall do our best to keep Muslims from politically organizing themselves into meaningful organization.

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Juma stressed the issue of the Caliphate not being a religious fundamental but rather a sheerly organisational process.[/quote]

Clearly it sounds like a stretched principle and more of a self assurance rather than an objective conclusion.

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Abbas Shoman, the deputy shaikh of Egypt’s Al Azhar institute, agreed and said the people of Sunnah believe that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) had not named a specific person to succeed him as Caliph, but rather left it to his companions.[/quote]
True.
And incomplete information.
He left a caliphate behind and that is an important detail.
This detail is the one that should be focussed upon.
Clearly the Companions RA maintained a Caliphate of Islam for about thirty years.
Maintainance of a Calophate is the action of the Companions RA and it has to be taken as part of Islamic principles, if not theoretically then practically. Companions acted according to their understanding of Islam as taught by the best teacher.
And what are our present scholars telling us and teeaching us?
The beloved Prophet SAW did not nominate a Caliph!
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The scholars’ remarks come as Daesh escalates its battles in several parts of the Middle East with the declared goal of establishing what it calls an Islamic Caliphate, claiming to copy the system of government succession that followed the death of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in 632AD.[/quote]
Here we see the cause of above pseudo Islamic wisdom.
Someone was/is scared of Daesh and the 'honourable' Islamic scholars come forward to assure them about their position because a ruthless organisation is indulging in something that would not be objectionable from Islamic point of view.

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Abdullah Bin Bayyah, President of the Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies, said the Prophet recognised and praised Negus (Najashi), the king of Abyssinia (Ethipia). The Prophet never asked the King of Ethiopia to come under Islamic rule.[/quote]
Rather funny observation.
Nagus was a benefactor.
You do not ask your benefactor to come under your thumb.
This observation is rather rude towards beloved Prophet SAW.

[quote]Bin Bayyah said the main piece of political literature inherited from the Muammadan period is Al Saifah, the document often known as the constitution of Madinah, the text of which is attributed mostly to the Hijrah episode of 622 to 624 AD.

This constitution speaks of the believers as forming one ummah (community), which also includes the Jews of Madinah. Although composed of tribes, each of which is responsible for the conduct of its members, the ummah as a whole is to act collectively in enforcing social order and security and in confronting enemies in times of war and peace.

Bin Bayyah is a known scholar but I am suspicious about above observation. Jews in agreement of political nature with Islam can only be taken as the Dhimmmies and not as an element of Ummah.

[quote]Bin Bayyah said the most pressing need for scholars, intellects and politicians is to collaborate and address the need for peace. “There is no other option whilst we see the ongoing spread of destruction, death and sectarianism,” he added. The world is facing a wave of extremism, sectarianism and violence as a direct result of our failure to promote Islam’s culture of peace and mercy.

This sectarianism rhetoric might be the Salafi-Non-Salafi or Shia-Sunni. I can not decifer it at the moment. I do agree with anti-Daesh stand and that is all that I can opine at the moment.
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This year’s forum seeks to explore the best ways to find peaceful solutions to rectify the negative and distorted image of Islam in some parts of the world. In addition, the forum is a ground-breaking initiative that will serve as an intellectual endeavour to refute extremist ideologies with a culture of peace and tolerance, which has been a driving force of Islam.”


Same comment as above.
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“The importance of the third forum is to continue our efforts in crystallising the primary narrative of Islam, so that our religion is not hijacked by extremist voices,” Bin bayyah said.

Ditto.
[quote]He added incorrect ideas have always posed a threat for Islam. “However, the forum will promote a positive change through the use of Islamic legal methodology and create awareness about Islamic values and guidelines which has always been subject to criticism and conflict,” Bin Bayyah said.

Given the limited nature of political stipulations in the Quran and the Hadith, Muslims have had to borrow and to improvise in developing their political systems. These systems, however, have been inspired by Sharia (Islamic law), as represented in the Quran and the Sunnah; by Arabian tribal traditions; and by the political heritage of the lands Muslims conquered, especially the Persian and Byzantine traditions. The influence of the first source was more noticeable during the era of the first four rashidun (rightly guided) caliphs (632–661AD), the second during the Umayyad dynasty (661–750 AD), and the third during the Abbasid (749–1258 AD) and Ottoman (1281–1922 AD) dynasties.

Informative.

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The Minister of Egypt’s Islamic Endowments stressed that not all Muslim caliphs were good, citing the example of the Abbasid Caliph Abdullah, infamously known for the killing of Umayyad people for their identity.

we understand that.
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Dr Mohammad Mattar Al Kaabi, secretary-general of the forum, said it was high time that all Muslims reconciliate with their nation states.

The Nation of India now wants to turn itself into a Hindu rashtra and above principle now advises me to reconcile with it - this is anti-Islamic.

[quote]Earlier, Shaikh Nahyan Bin Mubarak Al Nahyan, Minister of Culture and Knowledge Development, told the forum a successful nation state is founded on strong institutions, good governance, social justice and the principle of citizenship.

I am happy that Arabs are realizing it once again.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2017 15:05
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2017 16:41
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almost impossible to establish khilafah.

Wait for Hz Imam Mehdi ra

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2017 22:28
why is it impossible? also i cant stand the words ' wait for imam mehdi'. i sometimes feels being told of his coming is the worse thing to tell muslims.

his arrival is meant to be a 'news' thing for us not something we act upon by just doing nothing and waiting for him

also what makes you think when he comes we will be ones that follow him. i can imagine him being called a khawaarij, extremist, terrorist etc and muslims believing it
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