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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd June 2017 11:33

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Declaring support for Palestine (thus delighting us, Muslims) and finding place as a leader amongst British population are two separate matters.

I am looking at the National picture and I don’t believe that Corbyn is a leader, I am not saying that he is dishonest or insincere (so don't confuse the two issues).

Quoting from Sayyidina Umar (RA) is also delightful for (us, Muslims) but still it’s a separate issue for (general) British population.

You have your views and I have mine so no reason for me to explain myself.

I also agree that Muslims can have an impact.

I have also seen my good friend Mukhtar Master’s article this morning entitled “Our forefathers were Muslim Corbynites”. He has a solid union background so I understand where he is coming from.

I (sincerely) hope that he can claw back some of the seats that Labour lost so they can be effective opposition or even gets an opportunity to have a coalition to have a shot at power.

Corbyn with a larger mandate will be good for this country and Tory majority will be bad for this country.

Nevertheless, I think that the people of this country are cutting off the nose to spite the face and Brexit is a fine example of that. There is no way that in this global (interconnected world) Brexit is good for Great Britain.  Those campaigning for Brexit were allowed to lie, be dishonest about it and the masses bought it because they wanted to get rid of “Johnny Foreigners”. So the dislike for “Johnny Foreigner” and “Muslims” is so intense in this country that they are willing to overlook al other matters and vote with a singular mind set.

Today the issue is Manchester Bombing. Political correctness put aside, May is seen as strong on leadership and someone who can deal with “Terrorist Threat” and people may opt to take that line. 

Happens to all the people whom Allah Ta’ala destines decline for (including Muslims of the past) that they take steps and commit to actions which lead to their own downfall.

Note that I have tried to leave the Muslim discussion out.

With the Muslim question back in the discussion, no doubt Corbyn is the one and only choice we have.

Before replying remember that you don’t need to convince or reply to me, I am simply giving my assessment of the Nation, and I sincerely hope that I am dead wrong.

Bump this post on 9th of June 2017 to humiliate me (and I hope it happens).

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd June 2017 12:35
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it's true that corbyn is not leadership material. he is more of a khadim (caretaker) material. in a perfect world that would be fine. the people would follow a khadim who has ikhlaas (sincerity) and adalat (justice). BUT this is not a perfect world and politics is dirty. most politicians do not have the best in mind for their country and their people. and this will be true from within corbyn's own party. corbyn will have hurdles from outside and within that he will have to deal with. corbyn is the best we got, but we need better.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd June 2017 20:42
i dont want to come across as a corbyn fanatic but i really dont get some of these lame rubbish you guys are coming up with. " not a leader" what the hell does that even mean. its literally like the old story abt the emperor with no clothes. u guys only just regurtitate whatever the media say. ur no different to the people who go around like sheep saying rasoolullah (saw) was a bad person ( na uzubillah). they just repeat what ever rubbish they see and hear.

seriously saying someone is simply not leadership material is nonsensical. u can say that about anyone and enough idiots repeat it the massess will believe it. does may or any leader for that matter look like leadership material? trump? king salman? nawaz shareef? take away their titles and position they hold now would you say they are leadership material if u bumped into them on the rd?

also ive heard from many ulema never give leadership to those who crave it. for that reason alone corbyn gets my support. he isnt desperate for it n keeping his principles. all the khulafaa ar rashid didnt want it but went on to be the very 4 best. abubakr n umar refused leadership many times.

anyway regardless who wins or not no one including corbyn deserves our full hope and trust. that belongs to Allah alone. a part of me even wants him to lose as i see too many muslims equating him winning to end of our misery. only Allah can and will save us and we ourselves have to get our hands dirty. no one will do our dirty laundry for us.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd June 2017 21:40
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absolutely disgusting example you have given. why bring the prophet (saw) into this. have some shame.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd June 2017 09:16

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W-Salam,

I understand your views from an Islamic perspective. Now think from the perspective of a general British citizen or even a labour supporter.

Corbyn has had several leadership challenges and his positon as a leader is not strong.

It isn’t just the Media, diehard labour supporters are not too keen on his chances. In fact, I believe Sadiq Khan would have better chances against Tories then Corbyn. I am speaking politically and not from a personality perspective. There is no need to start rattling Sadiq Khan’s principles or his Islamic views or opinions on Palestine.

I am not saying Sadiq Khan is a better person or a principled politician or anything like that.

From a purely political standpoint, Sadiq Khan would have better chances then Corbyn.

Palestine may matter to Muslims but to normal British voters it means Jack, diddly-squat!

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd June 2017 12:14

Why Muslim should Vote Labour?

برطانوی انتخابات میں مسلمانوں کو ووٹ کیوں اور کس کو دینا چاہیئے؟

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 9th June 2017 09:29
Just about as perfect result for Corbyn as realistically possible.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 9th June 2017 12:13
i still think he would of done even better if the doubters voted him too. too many people fell for the " theres no point voting he aint gana win". but all in all its a great result. even if may does a coalition she wont last long
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2017 04:32
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For those claiming the whole turmoil in the Labour Party leading upto the present election was down to Jeremy Corbins leadership skills the following extract of an article by Owen Jones predicted this Turmoil before Corbyn was even elected as Labour Leader in 2015. Both the Media and Members of Labour Party were secretly stating their agenda of undermining him at every opportunity if he became the leader of Labour party.

ECONOMY 4 AUGUST 2015
Owen Jones: if Jeremy Corbyn wins, prepare for a firestorm

If Corbyn takes over, both he and the movement he represents will face a formidable axis of opposition. They will share one objective: to make sure he fails, preferably in the most humiliating way possible. It would be a permanent lesson to the left, with the objective of wiping the left out as a political force forever.

Let's start with the Parliamentary Labour Party. It is well known that Corbyn only scraped on to the ballot paper. Presuming that no left candidate would make it on to the ballot paper, the Shadow Cabinet minister Jon Trickett and I had been planning a 'Not The Labour Leadership'-style national tour to try and build up a grassroots movement. That proved superfluous. Some MPs nominated Corbyn because they were on the left of the party, including many new MPs. But some did so because they came under extraordinary pressure from their own grassroots, a foreshadow of the increasingly enthusiastic movement we see today. There were politically savvy right-wing Labour MPs who knew that the Labour Party had changed since Blair was effectively ejected as leader, and they feared from the outset what Corbyn's campaign could achieve.

If Jeremy Corbyn becomes leader, many senior New Labourites have already declared that they will not join his Shadow Cabinet. Some Labour MPs may effectively go on strike. Imagine the first Prime Ministers' Questions: Corbyn could face a cheering Tory party, determined to cause as much mischief as possible, with a largely silent Parliamentary Labour Party behind him. There may be an attempt by some members of the PLP to stage an instant coup, but this is unlikely because it is too crude: it would be seen for what it is, an attempt to overturn the results of an entirely democratic election, leaving Jeremy Corbyn a martyred hero and the PLP at war with the party membership, and would not achieve the goal of permanently humiliating the left.

“I would never underestimate the ruthlessness and effectiveness of the PLP and media establishment linking hands to turn victory into an opportunity for organisational and ideological destruction of the left,” one Labour MP tells me. “The PLP will do whatever makes them look best and makes us look worse. And they may be happy to endure a split until Corbyn is deposed.” Hostile MPs will obsessively leak to the media; they will cite Corbyn's rebellious record as justification to refuse to tow the line; their strategy will be to bleed a Corbyn leadership to death.

As Chris Mullin – the ex-Labour minister and writer of A Very British Coup, which explores the fate of a left-wing Labour Prime Minister at the hands of the Establishment – puts it: “The media will go bananas, of course. Every bit of his past life will be raked through and every position he has ever taken will be thrown back under him.” People Jeremy Corbyn has met, or has been close to, will be scrutinised in great deal. Quotes will be taken out of context and twisted. His political positions will be ruthlessly distorted. The media will seek to portray Labour as being in a state of chaos (a narrative fuelled by right-wing MPs); and Corbyn as dangerous or ridiculous or both.

Assessing the Corbyn campaign, the BBC journalist Mark Mardell was intriguingly candid. “It is hardly surprising that Westminster journalists crave the ideologically soft centre,” he writes. “None is on the minimum wage, let alone tax credits, nor are any, to my knowledge, owners of third homes on the Cayman Islands, or running big corporations. They are nearly all university educated and live in London or the South East of England (Yes, all that goes for me, too). There is group-think in the muddled middle, a fear of thinking outside a comfortable box.” Whatever their pretences, the BBC and many of its journalists will be among those attempting to undermine a Corbyn leadership.


Read the full article here.....

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2...




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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2017 11:19
there is a book i got called " a very british coup" from 70s/80s. its says how if a left PM was electrd how the media and army will all turn on him. sums up where we are today
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2017 12:11

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Never knew about this, will look for a copy and read up....Jazakallahu Khayran

Writer:

Chris Mullin has been the Labour MP for Sunderland South since 1987. He chaired the Home Affairs Select Committee and served in three departments. He is the author of the bestselling novel A Very British Coup, re-published by Serpent's Tail, which was turned into an award-winning television series.

Book:

Former steel worker Harry Perkins, has, against all the odds, led the Labour Party to a stunning victory at the general election. His manifesto includes the removal of American bases, public control of finance, and the dismantling of the newspaper monopolies. The Establishment is appalled by the prospect, and secretly decides that something must be done. As M15 conspires with the city and the press barons, Perkins the PM finds himself in a no-holds-barred battle for survival.

www.amazon.co.uk/Very-British-Coup-Chris-Mullin-x/dp/1846...

16 out of 50 best TV Drama:

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2017 14:24
i bought it from ebay a few weeks ago for abt £4
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