Asad Shah Murder Case

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 12:43

Background Facts (Victim)

Asad Shah claimed Prophethood 2 years ago
March 20th 2016, has a conversation with somone in Ahamdiyya community about reformation
March 24th 2016, emphasies responsibilities and says that God has left (Ahmadee leadership) due to their doings
Killed on March 24th 2016
Mirza Masroor Ahmad admits that the man had mental Health Issues
Qadiyani machinery begins spinning the case and focuses attention on Deobandees

Background Facts (Perpetrator)

32 year Tanveer Ahmed (Bradford)
Background unknown
Affiliation unknown
Mosque unknown
- Madni Jamia Mosque (Barelwee)
- Jamia Masjid Tabligh-ul-Islam (Barelwee)
Physical/Mental Health unknown
Represented by John Rafferty (Rafferty Wood & Co) 0141 637 6999, no website
Statement read by John on the 6th of April 2016:

It said: “My client Mr Tanveer Ahmed has specifically instructed me today, April 6 2016, to issue this statement to the press.”

“The statement is in the words of my client.”

It states: “This all happened for one reason and no other issues and no other intentions.

“Asad Shah disrespected the messenger of Islam the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Mr Shah claimed to be a Prophet.

“When 1,400 years ago the Prophet of Islam Muhammad, peace be upon him, has clearly said that ‘I am the final messenger of Allah there is no more prophets or messengers from God Allah after me.

‘I am leaving you the final Quran. There is no changes. It is the final book of Allah and this is the final completion of Islam’.

‘There is no more changes to it and no one has the right to claim to be a Prophet or to change the Quran or change Islam.’

“It is mentioned in the Quran that there is no doubt in this book no one has the right to disrespect the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and no one has the right to disrespect the Prophet of Islam Muhammad, peace be upon him.

“If I had not done this others would and there would have been more killing and violence in the world.

“I wish to make it clear that the incident was nothing at all to do with Christianity or any other religious beliefs.

“Even though I am a follower of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, I also love and respect Jesus Christ.”

Responsibilities of (Deobandis)

Investigate Tanvir Ahmed from Toller, Bradford because I DO NOT think that this guy is Deoandi at all!

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 13:01

Tanveer Ahmed like Mumtaz Qadri is a Barelvi connected to Dawat E Islami...! There is an entire Facebook page dedicated to him
titled Ghazi Tanvir Ahmed Attari Qadri. The title of Attari Qadri is taken by the Mureeds of Amir of Dawat e Islami Muhammad Ilyas Attari Qadri .. Attari refers to his former profession as a perfume seller and Qadri to the Silsilah he is a shaykh of.

What Qadiyanis have done whilst acknowledging Tanvir Ahmed is a member of Dawat e Islami is to use this as an opportunity to target Khatme Nabuwwat and labell it is as a hate group, and launch a campaign for the government to label it as such.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 13:07

Tanveer ahmed is a brelvi from dawat e islaami as per some sources. What is however interesting is that there seems to have been a dispute between mainstream qadiyanism and this fellow Asad Shah. He had in fact it seems been excommunicated from qadiyanism and had started his own thing. So qadiyanis are basically using Asad shah's death as a means of sympathy for their hatred of the Muslim community when in fact they have been amongst the harshest critiques of Asad Shah.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 13:20

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Copy cat killer or Wannabe hero? Looking for the same high status that was received by Mumtaz from among their followers/group?

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 13:54

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 13:54

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Precisely whilst the Qadiyanis have launched a Publicity campaign about being "Unjustly" labelled as Heretics and Deviants and being persecuted.

The reality is that Asad Shah was Ironically ex-communicated from the Qadiyani sect, and labelled a deviant and heretic by them.

Here is an interview in Punjabi with Asad Shah on Radio labelling himself a Prophet, youtu.be/rbDSu-VJ994

Here is a link to a youtube channel run by supporters of Dawat e Islami praising Tanvir Ahmed youtu.be/Lw3xFmbKzbc

Here is Barelvi Allama Khadim Hussain Rizvi on Tanvir Ahmed ... youtu.be/L8CRTLCLFck

Allamah Khadim Hussain Rizvi is one of the heads of the Barelvi version of Khatme Nabuwwat.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 17:01

They say an intelligent enemy is better then a foolish friend.
In the climate of rabid "Islamaphobia" I think there is a lot that can be learned from the Qadiyanis, their level of media savvy, innovative methods of preaching, their level of organisation as a slick well oiled machine, their emphasis of promoting education in their communities, their ability to gain positions and influence in the corridors of power.

Qadiyanis in the UK at the most are about only 50'000 strong and thats being generous.

They have established numerous places of Worship around the country.

Everyone of their 'Ahmadi' Centres has the very catchy moto emblazoned, on it ... "Love For All Hatred For None." very difficult for the media to label a group as extremist, or fanatical when their very Slogan, says "Love For All Hatred for None."

Every single one of their centres has, intiviatives of service to the wider community..The most common one where members regularly gather at least once a week, and go and sweep the local streets whilst wearing high visibility jackets emblazoned with the words "Love For All Hatred For None".

They have initiatives of feeding the Poor and homeless, collecting and donating goods for local food banks, raising money for local charities in the town or city they live..... If their is a newspaper report about some local charity or community initiative needing funds whether it is a youth group, hospital, a centre for the elderly or disabled they are the first to respond by raising money.

If their is a report in the Local newspaper or media about someone suffering a tragedy or being a victim of crime they are quick to respond, for example if an elderly person is robbed or conned out of their savings, they will quickly raise the money contact the newspaper concerning the news article and present a cheque to the victim as a gift from the local 'Ahmadi' congregation whilst emphasising our belief is "Love For All Hatred For None".

Every member has it embeded within them, that each and everyone one of them is an Ambassador for the Qadiyani religion, that their behaviour whilst reacting with the wider community should reflect that no matter what career or profession they are in this should be at the forefront in their reaction with others...!

Qadiyanis will go out of their way in serving others, whether it is in minor things like, writing thank you and get well cards, whether its regularly taking tins of biscuits and snacks to work for colleagues, whether its insisting on paying for lunch for their co-workers, whether its taking time out to help a colleague who is struggling with their work, whether its taking time out to help a student who is struggling in their studies.... service to others its at the heart of their Dawah....If one reads the tributes by the wider local community towards Asad Shah you will find that they all mention his service to others.

There is a deep emphasis is placed on education so that you can obtain high ranking positions and wealth to serve the Qadiyani religion and be ambassadors to it.

They regularly make efforts to interact with their local MP's the local journalists and police usually in the form of local charity intiatives.

In their use of internet for Dawah, they have websites in over thirty languages, everything from Icelandic to polish, Indonesian, Bulgarian etc.

They are highly organised with 'love' being emphasised in their Dawah.

If mainstream Muslim organisations had motos such as "Love and Kindness " emblazoned outside their institutes in their websites With audio lectures emphasising Love and Kindness towards the wider British Public, and service towards Britain, the BBC would be looking very foolish in making Propaganda programmes...!

We are stuck with writing to the media which is in-effect a reactionary method, instead of anticipating that if your an Islamic institute , the Media and establishment will target you sometime in the future, so in anticipation take measures and intiatives that will force the Media to leave you alone unless they want to look very foolish.

Beyond that as I stated on another thread previously Mufti Saeed Khan of Islamabad and here is his website www.seerat.net/Audio/Audio.aspx has mentioned that, the entire focus of shunning the Qadiyanis has perhaps in hindsight been counter productive. A Dawah focused approach towards Qadiyanis should have been taken and we have largley neglected that. Rather then this issue remaining one that is localised to Indo/Pak ..It has resulted in Qadiyanis leaving Pakistan and re-settling all over the world, they have desiminated their teachings and obtained converts across the world .... They are in a stronger position today then they were 40 years ago.

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