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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 02:28

If fatwas of all sects are accepted then Jannah will remain empty. We need to grow up now

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 04:25

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Well I have said it multiple times on this forum, that this is an academic issue and should be dealt like one. The awaam should not indulge in these matters, and live in harmony. And yes, we should mix with barelwis and give them dawah, with hikmah and baseerah. And yes, we don't want confrontation either in Pakistan or in the west. And yes, we should strive for unity and defend the ummah against the bigger challenges.

And I have also said it multiple times, that the people living in the UK should consult their local ulema for these matters.

But all this does not mean, that barelwis are absolutely OK, and their aqaaid are purely based on tawheed, and they are free of any bidah. And this also does not mean that we should become all die hard friends of barelwis and pretend like nothing happened between the two sides for the last 150 years. My ONLY issue with this issue is, when ulema fail to acknowledge these facts even on an academic level.

You know the people who attacked Junaid were followers of Mufti Muzaffar. He is such a vile character and even long bearded followers of him openly curse deobandis and use extreme vulgar language. MARK MY WORDS, deobandis are worst than hindus or worst than dogs according to barelwis. And this list includes Maulana Thanwi, Maulana Ilyas, Maulana Hussain Madni, Maulana Ahmad Lahori and ALL the deobandi akaabir.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 04:50

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With all due respect, this is an emotional sentence and a "tableeghi slogan" at best.

Why did Rasoolullah (SAW) say that ONLY ONE out of 73 sects will go to Jannah?
Why did Rasoolullah (SAW) say that ONLY ONE out of 1000 from Bani Adam will go to Jannah?
Why did Rasoolullah (SAW) say that bidatis from my ummah will come to me at Hauz e Kausar and I will tell the angels to drag them towards Jahannum?

See this is my issue with people who have NOT done any personal reading regarding the issue. They will just go around saying "one ummah, one ummah". These barelwis even cooperated with USA when USA bombed Afghanistan. These barelwis even said that "yes all this terrorism is due to these deobandis/wahabis". Infact Sarwat Qadri (who heads Sunny Tehreek) took 35 million from CIA for doing a rally against talibaan.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 10:54

Junaid Jumshed and Barelwi posts split.

This topic needs a thread of its own, please continue in respective threads.

(An important topic and would be much appreciated if Maulana Abu_Bilal points out the major points that have been touched upon)

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 12:08

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Brother I think I have had my fair share of "barelwism" for the last two days, lol. But I will answer whatever your questions are.

Just to lighten things up, you may have read the brilliant "Wasiyat Shareef" by Ahmad Raza Barelwi. It is an absolute masterpiece, which he wrote down just days before his death. I will write a small piece from it. I literally used to die laughing in my early days, whenever I read it. It starts below:-

If it is agreeable for my dear ones, in the fātiĥah, send the following things twice or thrice a week:

i. Milk Ice-cream, home-made, even if it is from buffalo milk.
ii. Chicken Biryānī
iii. Chicken Pulāo
iv. Shāmī Kabāb, even if it is from goat’s meat
v. Parathas and Cream
vi. Fīrīnī
vii. Thick gravy of white lentils with garlic etc., for seasoning and garnishing
viii. Meat-filled Katchūrīs
ix. Apple Juice
x. Pomegranate Juice
xi. Soda bottles (Carbonated or Sparkling Water)
xii. Milk Ice-cream

If it is possible to send only one of these, then do so; or howsoever is convenient to you – but only if it is not a hassle and is agreeable to you; do not feel compelled to do so just because of my writing here.

(WASAYA SHAREEF, PAGE 19, MATBOAA PROGRESSIVE BOX LAHORE)

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 12:31

Phir Bill kis ku bhejna hai woh nahi bataya?

It didn't state where to send the bill?

Sometimes I wonder if these things are just made up :( but then again, this is what their school is all about anyway.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 14:31

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Assalaamu Alaykum

Respected Moulana,

These "sunniport" Barelwis have actually translated this "Wasaya Shareef" - www.ridawipress.org/wp-content/uploads/wasaya.pdf

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 15:02

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W-Salam,

Yes page 18, point 12.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 17:53

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Wa alaykum us salam,

Thanks, and I have edited my post too. The English one seems more funny, lol. I find it really hilarious. It also adds up to show what an absolute joke barelwi'ism is. A so called Ala Hazrat and Mujadid, and writing 12 different dishes in his wasiyat, just moments before his death.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 19:33

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Assalamu alaikum

Then which is the saved sect?

As you know every sect claims to follow ''ma ana alaihi wa as'habi''.

Found In: Sahih Bukhari Chapter No: 8, Prayers (Salat)
Hadithno: 386
Narrated: Anas bin Malik r.a
Allah's Apostle s.a.w said, "Whoever prays like us and faces our Qibla and eats our slaughtered animals is a Muslim and is under Allah's and His Apostle's protection. So do not betray Allah by betraying those who are in His protection."

According to this hadith Everybody is a Muslim if 3 conditions are found in him. Rest is in the hands of Allah swt.

Do you think that salafis are anthropomorphists? But they are proven as deviants. Do you think ashari and maturudiya are batil groups? But they are proven.

Proving ourselves on Haq and others on Batil, will never come to an end if we keep on clinging to our beaten path of refuting each other. All kuffar are united against us and we are involved in Obligatory duty to prove each other as deviant.

How wise we are!

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 19:51

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Wa alaykum us salam,

I won't reply to your quoted hadeeth, since you have misinterpreted it. However, I will respond to your second allegation that kufr is united against us and we are still fighting within the ummah.

I have written it atleast 1233432532532235253253523532523 times on this forum, the following :-

YES WE SHOULD PRIMARILY FOCUS ON UNITY, AND DEFENDING ISLAM AGAINST THE ATTACKS BY THE KUFFAR.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS ALSO THE DUTY OF ULEMA TO POINT OUT THE DEVIANT BELIEFS OF MISGUIDED GROUPS, BUT IT SHOULD BE DONE WITH HIKMAH AND WITHOUT CONFRONTATION.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE SHOULD MIX AND GIVE DAWAH TO MISGUIDED GROUPS TOO.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOU SHOULD ASK YOUR LOCAL ULEMA OF THE WEST FOR THEIR OPINIONS ON THESE MISGUIDED GROUPS, SINCE THEY ARE MORE AWARE ABOUT THE FITNAH THAT THE UMMAH IS FACING IN THE WEST. WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN APPLIES MOSTLY TO SUBCONTINENT.

WHICH PART OF THE ABOVE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND OR WHAT IS THERE WHICH IS SOOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU AND OTHERS TO COMPREHEND?????

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 20:09

And with the utmost respect and love, but brother I have completed Sahih Bukhari under Mufti Taqi Usmani and Mufti Rafi Usmani, directly!

And I completed Bukhari with commentaries of Ibn e Hajr (Fathul Bari), Allama Anwar Shah Kashmiri (Faizul Bari), Allama Ayni (Umdatul Qari), Mulla Ali Qari, etc. You think that I would not have known the hadeeth that you quoted and its true interpretation? And without knowing such an important hadeeth in Bukhari, I just started the takfeer machine against barelwis?

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 20:59

this is something else that we dont have consistency in. we accuse all and sundry - especially salafis - of making up their own interpretations of hadith and going against the 4 madhabs with their interpretations, but we seem to do the same.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2016 21:04

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The biggest accomplishment of Barelvis has been to monopolise the title "Sunni"...! Well here in the U.K. if you mention the word "Barelvi" to an average Barelvi they will not have a clue what you are talking about.
All they know is that they are "Sunni" and everyone else is "Wahabbi" that they are "Ashiq e Rasool" whilst everyone else is "Gustakh e Rasool". I think the Barelvi approach because of its simplicity has paid dividends amongst the masses over the last hundred plus years.

A Barelvi speaker will always refer to themselves as "Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaat" or " Sunnis" very rarely if ever do you here them use the expression "Barelvi".

On the flipside you very rarely here Deobandis use the term Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaat, its mostly "We Deobandis".

The conflict is not as complicated as presented, all you need is simple counters to the propaganda, regular and well advertised conferences and talks in Deobandi masjids on the importance of Ishq for Rasool e akram (s.a.w.)

...and refer to yourself as "sunnis". When your average Barelvi sees an advert or comes across a talk by Deobandis or Salaafis on Love For The Prophet (s.a.w.)

this creates a contradiction in their mind.

This is exactly what happened to former Pakistan Cricket player Qassim Omer back in the 1980's.. Here have a listen he tells his highly interesting story of how he went from completely non-practicing to a Barelvi to joining Tabligh... youtu.be/lmxWKRRmNYg

Even the vast majority of Barelvis realise and recognise that the takfir of Deobandis is nothing more then sectarian propaganda...This could be about to change these extreme takfirs who have been mostly on the fringes have suddenly gained center stage with the execution of Mumtaz al Qadri they have jumped on this bandwagon and are exploiting it to the full, via social media.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 30th March 2016 03:00

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If you find refuting barelvis is obligatory then.... see it and tell me who's Using Hikmah? Sh madani or sh nadvi or sh madkhali?

''3.Islamic institues running under the Saudi regime call your elder misguided and heretics. Sufees are more misguided according to them then Qadiyanees. Their Islamic universities including Madina university gives MA and Phd degrees in which Shaykh (Maulana) Qasim Nanotwi (RA), Shaykh (Mufti) Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi (RA) and Shaykhul-Islam Hussain Ahmed Madani (RA) have been called misguided, people of Bid’ah. Deobandees have been presented like Qadiyanees. Rabi Madkhali calls Deobandees Kaafirs. Haramain has talks against your Akabirs! A Hanafi cannot be a teacher (in one of their universities) let alone Imam of Haram, have you EVER been asked to give a lecture at their Islamic universities''

ahlalbidah.wordpress.com/2014/01/10/shaykh-salman-al-nadw...

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