Why we can't unite with Barelwi's

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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 31st March 2016 12:21

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And you don't believe that you have just used Ta'weel in your explaination :lol

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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2016 07:47

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There is right taweel and wrong taweel. If taweel is done, according to the principles laid down by muhaddiseen and fuqahah and according to Usul ul fiqh, it is alright, otherwise it is not.

For example, many ahadeeth of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim go against the Hanafis. So hanafi ulema do taweel of the ahaadeeth that go against them. Take the instance of a hadeeth about loud ameen, and the hanafi ulema do the taweel that the hadeeth was abrogated and that Rasoolullah (SAW) used to say loud ameen in his early days but when Sahaba (RA) got acquainted to it, Rasoolullah (SAW) then left the practice and started saying it in a low tone.

That's why I love the 7th and 8th year of aalim course (where we read Mishkaat, and then the full Sihah e Sitta). When a hadeeth comes up against the hanafis, and how our akabireen respond to it.

Ma tahtul asbaab means something which comes under asbaab. For example, if I ask a person standing infront of me, that please hold my hand so that I can stand up. The person is standing infront of me and clearly hear me, and he comes close and helps me. Now this type of seeking help from others is permissible.

Ma fauqul asbaab means something which is over and above asbaab. For example, I ask Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (RA), that please hold my hand and help me, and I believe that he can hear me from far and also help me at the same time. Here comes the aqeedah of haazir naazir and alim ul ghaib, etc. This type of seeking help from others is not permissible, and almost shirk. Barelwis do taweel here, which is completely against Quran and Sunnah and Fiqh e Hanafi and Ijmah.

I do thorough aqeedah classes. But I can't give a link since I want to remain anonymous. Otherwise you can read the books of Allama Khalid Mehmood (DB) and since he is in UK too.

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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2016 08:13

Mufti Zar Wali Khan (DB) says in the following clip, that ulema should deal barelwis according to their research. If an aalim has done research on them, then takfir can be done. And if some ulema have not done research on them, then they should better do research on them before tableeghis goto do jihad (LOL).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT3f3vw-e8U

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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2016 08:38

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Brother, you said that half of bukhari and Muslim are against hanafis? But I doubt.

As Total ahadith (without repeated ones) in sahihain are:

bukhari: 2762 approx.
Muslim:2200 approx.
total =4962 and half of it is =2481.

Would you mind to prove it.

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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2016 08:51

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Mufti Zar Wali Khan sahab's bayans contain frequent mention of the Barelvis,in terms of their biddah and shirk.Mufti sahib has a strong stance against them.
But I wonder what Mufti sahib thinks of the Barelvi awaam?

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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2016 08:51

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Hazrat Maulana, sigh ..

It was more a way of expression, rather than an exact figure. Anyways, I will edit my post.

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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2016 13:01

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Peace !

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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2016 17:59

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L-O-L. i am still laughing at this....

but, more seriously, maulana fazlur-rahman azmi, the great scholar of hadeeth in south africa, says there are as many ahadith in sahih bukhari that support the hanafi madhab as there are for the shafi madhab.

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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2016 18:13

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Two different ways of saying the same thing, but causing different effect.....

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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2016 19:10

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True.

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