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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 22:04
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It's to do with the geographical location of those countries, i.e. Latitude/Longitude in line with the UK and so on.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 22:55
Maulana, what is the best option for the salah times in apps such as these, Prayer time Pro (free on Android)

The app is excellent and I've been told to set it as Karachi University, however I've found Ummul Qura' Makkah to coincide "most of the time" with the timetable I've been using. Although this year its slightly different.

If I get Esha correct, then Fajr goes out of time and if I get Fajr right, Esha is off time. But this is not the case throughout the year as we expect.

What is the best calculation method to use permanently?
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2016 07:08

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Future plans are to develop an App for the UK Market. Before the App can be developed a Fatwa needs to be given on Fajar & Esha times which can be adhered to.

I think the Ulama are considering a Shariah response which can then be molded into an App.

It was hoped that we can get it out by this Ramadhan but it didn't happen.

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Wifaqul Ulama Way:

  1. Frequently Asked Questions
  2. Scientific Studies
  3. Fatawa

 

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2016 08:56
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salaam

i understand the point you are trying to make. muslims outside of saudi have no requirement to follow saudi sightings. but in the same way, there is no requirement to follow south africa sightings, but we still do.

but my question is still a valid question independent of your point. in the same way that we accept sightings from south africa, would we accept sightings from saudi if they fulfill all the criteria (even if south africa did not get a positive sighting)?

(btw i am from batley and stopped following saudi a long time before batley stopped following saudi, so i am not arguing for them. i am just curious.)

also, like the other brother said, why dont we just do away with everyone and just follow our own UK sighting? why resort to south africa if we cant see the moon here? it might lead to greater unity if representatives from all the different groups of muslims and ulama bodies could get together each month to sight the moon. if we see the moon then change the month. if we dont then keep and extra day. if every month is 30 days then so be it.

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2016 09:39

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وَعَلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامُ

5 Year Wifaqul Ulama & Batley Moon Sighting Committee (BMSC) data:

Please see the results which are available for the last 5 years:

  1. Year 1437:
    • Faxes from Morocco are displayed for the whole year
    • Twice the decision was based on UK
    • Safar 1437 Moonsighting was unsuccesfull in South Africa but successful in Morocco so we started with Morocco
  2. Year 1436:
    • Faxes from Morocco are displayed for the whole year
  3. Year 1435:
    • Faxes from Morocco are displayed for the whole year
  4. Year 1434:
    • Faxes from Morocco are displayed for the whole year
  5. Year 1433:
    • Faxes from Morocco are displayed for the whole year

If you consider the data for almost 5 years you will note that the system has little to do with South Africa.

Also see the presentation about Morocco:

wifaqululama.co.uk/moonsighting/objectwifaq/54-mormoon

Britain (normally) has cloudy skies and it is unusual to have clear weather. Britain is also a high latitude country. Together these two (abnormalities) leave us no choice but to rely on another location for Moonsighting.

As you will know that the same thing affects us for Fajar and Esha timings.

Since Morocco is our nearest Muslim country and also happens to have a fantastic Moonsighting system in place, we seek assistance from Morocco.

Ulama have floated the idea of South Africa (as backup) but it is generally and by and large Morocco as the 5 year data suggests and has been the Fatwa since 1970s.

It appears to me that you and the Brother Mkdon1 hear announcements from your Mosque and perhaps that’s where the confusion is coming from. I have taken a note of this point and will raise it with the Ulama in the next Shura meeting.

Why do we need to even follow Morocco, why not just a full on British Moonsighting system? Because due to our (unique) problems majority of Islamic months will become 30 days and this means that within a few months we will be out of synch with the whole world. In a decade of so you will be doing Hajj in Rajab, do you see the point?

جزاك اللهُ خيرًا

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2016 10:14
JazakAllah for the replies. Theoretically speaking so what if we are not in sync? We already do eid and ramadan day after saudi most years. Also most be be out of sync will be a few days as if we get it wrong one month then soon enough we will spot new moon on perhaps 26th night to bring us back in line.

Finally just to clarify. If saudi had a mass sighting but morroco and south africa do not see do we still not accept saudi? I am pro wifaqul but i from previous posts get the impression its becoming very anti saudi.
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2016 10:38

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Besides being logically difficult, Intercalation (adding days to Calendar) is Haram.

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2016 10:54

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This is the problem with trying to answer questions, online. There are only two positions in Islam when it comes to Moonsighting, local or Global (Hanafees of today by and large don’t practise it but let’s take it as a position). Setting Saudia as an exclusive benchmark is a hybrid position which doesn’t fit into either of those classical positions. Saudi Arabia (when it comes to Moonsighting) doesn’t carry any special significance at all. It’s like setting Iraq or Nigeria to be the benchmark for UK and that argument (logically) will have equal merit to Saudi Arabia.

So the point which I am (unsuccessfully) trying to make is that the Moonsighting in Saudi Arabia is not Shariah enforceable.

If you think that this stance is “Anti-Saudi” replace Saudi Arabia with Indonesia and then read the same argument, would that make Wifaqul Ulama “Anti-Indonesia”? We live in UK and make Dua for Muslims of Indonesia but their Moonsighting has no relevance for us in UK.

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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2016 11:35

Hanbali opinion about Makkah Moonsighting:

فأما قول من قال إنه ينبغي أن يكون المعتبر رؤية هلال مكة خاصة ، فلا أصل له ولا دليل عليه

"As for those who say that it is necessary to follow the sighting of Makkah, then let it be known to them, that there is no proof or basis for this in the Qur'aan and Hadith". (Sheikh Abdullah bin Baz RA AlBa'ath ul Islaaami Zil Hijjah 1399 Hijri).

Hanafi opinion about Makkah Moonsighting:

archive.org/stream/besturdubooks4/Kitab-un-Nawazil-06#pag...

The upshot of this discussion is that after giving due consideration to Quran & Sunnah and principles of Fiqh the concept of declaring Makkah to the standard of Moonsighting for the whole world is absolutely wrong and impractical.

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2016 03:22
ٱلسَّلَامُ عَلَيكُم وَ رَحمَةُٱللهِ وَ بَرَكَاتُه

I, as a layman, was just wondering, ٱلحَمدُلِلَّه we uphold the Sunnah of physical sighting of the hilaal, and act upon it. However why isn't an effort seen to reinstate the method of determining Salaah times and giving Azaan accordingly.

From my weak observation and theory in mind, despite the view being obstructed by buildings, can't the minaret be used for observation for this purpose, since it is high enough to overcome this obstacle.
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 21st October 2017 18:10
I recalled some questions in this thread just now. Note that the month of Safar has started with Morocco and not South Africa

www.wifaqululama.co.uk/1439-2/


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