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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 10:48
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on what basis are saudi sightings usually rejected?
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 11:11

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh

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Post has been updated with data for the last 5 years for everyone to click and check for themselves.

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We live in Britain so testimony in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh has little relevance to us, whether it’s correct or wrong it’s for the Ulama in those respective countries to decide.

Morocco is our nearest Islamic country so it has context & relevance. Multiple Ulama for that reason have done research, visited Ministry of Islamic Affairs, forged links, scientific studies have been done on the subject.  There is an entire presentation on the topic in English & Urdu and original response in Arabic.

جزاك اللهُ خيرًا

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 14:28
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so if multiple groups of trustworthy people in saudi were to sight the moon without any doubt - even then will the sighting not be accepted?
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 16:28
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 16:34
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can you please explain? i thought sole reason why saudi is rejected is due to the fact it is usually a old bedoun who always happens to see the moon whilst the entire country doesnt and also he tends to see the moon before it is either born or newly born.

if there is a multiple sighting in saudi or a small sighting but scientific data show it is possible for saudi to see then why should we reject? almost seems we are becoming like brealwis who just dnt want to accept saudi ( i say this as someone who follows wifaaqul).

also why cant UK just follow our own and forget the rest? even if that means we always do 30 days due to cloudy skies.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 17:36

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Look at the impact of this Criteria in Canada

  1. Last year they had a massive problem with tweeting (and then untweeting) saying that their Twitter was hacked, couldn't react after midnight
  2. This year Islamic Month declared at 14:55

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 17:57
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Is the methodology still okay? as they have specific endorsements and fatwas from some reputable and mustanad ulema and darululooms. If you go to their above website on article page, they are quoting from Hazrat Thanvi (R.A) to top deobandi darul iftas.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 18:02

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What does Saudi Arabia have to do with United Kingdom when it comes to Moonsighting? I don’t understand the question?

There are probably very good established Moonsighting systems in the world e.g. Pakistan where multiple witnesses (in the hundreds) sight the moon, interesting fact but what relevance does it have to UK?

Why should UK Muslims (Ulama and Muslims alike) comment on the number of witnesses and the system in Pakistan?

I am deliberately being obtuse and difficult to provoke you into thinking. :lol:

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It’s not our place to comment on the deliberation of Ulama of another country, they have their own unique circumstances.

UK has a unique problem so we have to seek assistance from Morocco otherwise like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa we would be searching for the Moon in our own country and that will be it.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 18:06

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Did Hazrat Thanwi (RA) ever declare an Islamic Month at 14:55 in the afternoon, good few hours before sunset? News to me!

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 18:20
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It's obvious if they would have decided to use global sighting, then as soon as they would be receiving a valid sighting report, they would anounce, no matter what the time is, as long as it is within the reasonable time window. Hence, my question was about their methodology, not the admin of the process.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 18:21
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JazakAllahu Khayrun
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 18:37

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Sayyidina Rasu-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) taught us the methodology. If the entire Ummah takes this opinion and starts declaring months in the afternoon what will be the impact upon the Sunnah?

Do you think its something new? Telegraphy was available in India since the mid 1800s and the issue is discussed in the books of Fiqh, they could have easily taken the news from (Ottomans) into India and the whole system of Moonsighting could have been done away with.

Do you see the impact on this on Muslims growing up in Non-Muslim countries and their next generations? Why even wait till 14:55, why not use Malaysia and be done at Fajar time in Toronto?

The fact is and you know that that Canadians have a problem with those sticking to Saudi sighting so instead of working through the problem and establishing a Canadian based system, the system has been deliberately rigged to give unity.

It makes Hilal Committee (GTA) look like fools i.e. just get the news from anywhere and impose it on Canada to create a unity with those who refuse to budge from Saudi Arabia.

Instead Canada now has a 5 way problem:

  1. Saudi Sighting
  2. (HC-GTA) Canadian/North American Sighting
  3. (CC) Afternoon Declarations and their run-ins with Chicago Hilal and Mufti Abdullah Nana and California Ulama
  4. Barelwees (mocking Wahabees) and sticking to 2
  5. Confused Muslims who are lost as what the heck is going on!

I was given a briefing on this in Toronto last December so I know whats happening.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 18:47
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That's one way of looking at it and i appreciate your sentiments. They have already been following a "zonal moonsighting", which included pretty much all of North America and South America. And they decided to move from Zonal to Global. They found validity of that in the Shariah, and they went forward with that.

The sentiments you have shared, inshaAllah i will try to inquire about these from them.

JazakAllahu Khayrun.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 20:31

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Jzk Brother but I don't need answers to my "sentiments". They have tried to unite Canadian Muslims and done the best they can. Future will tell the results.

I am a nobody and they are not answerable to me at all.

I have my opinion and that's about it.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2016 21:30
i dont get your point. if saudi and pakistan have nothing to do with UK then why do wifaqul always get excited when south africa see it and announce it here even if we dont see it in the uk? amount of times my mosques has said tomorrow is eid or ramadan as moon sighted in south africa. we are kinda doing same as the people who blind follow saudi.
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