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#91 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 12:26

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Moulana!

Deviancy in regard to??

Just tasawwuf or even Aqaaid?

As that shared here has nothing to do with aqaid.

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#92 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 12:30

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  1. He is a Mufti
  2. He is very close to major Ulama of Pakistan
  3. He lives not too far from where this whole saga happened
  4. His teachers have directly studied the subject and then chosen to speak about the matter.
  5. His teachers are also not physically too far from the area

My questions to you which you seem to have skipped are as follows:

  1. Have both of you thoroughly read what Shaykh (Mufti) Yusuf Ludhyanwi Shaheed (RA) actually wrote on the topic?
  2. Have you also consulted Ulama in Pakistan about their opinion.
  3. Have you consulted any other Mashaykh (specifically) on the topic of Shaykh (Maulana) Allah Yaar Khan Saheb (RA)?

Would you like for me to ask this in Urdu?

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#93 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 12:32
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#94 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 13:53

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  1. I read your post multiple times
  2. I then took a 1 Hour Break
  3. I then re-read your post 3 times before responding

The fact of the matter is that in life you make decisions 2 ways:

  • METHOD 1: You do research, read and investigate the issue
  • METHOD 2: You make Taqleed

You are obviously not from category 1 and you never read anything. That leaves you in Category 2

Do you know who Shaykh (Mufti) Yusuf Ludhywani Shaheed (RA) was? Do you know his teachers, his affiliations and his work?

Again a very simple question in Plain English? Since you cleverly declined to answer that fact that you are NEITHER read anything on the topic NOR discussed it with them.

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#95 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 14:05
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According to this post (correct me if I'm wrong)

It seems the only thing you have read on it are the posts bro Muadh made on the other thread, correct?

So to summarise the only thing you have read or know about this topic according to your above post is what you have read from the posts of bro 'Muadh', and have no other knowledge about this other than this.
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#96 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 16:44
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(1) No..!

(2) No..!

(3) No..!

My objections is on what you posted on this thread and what was posted on your behalf on Sunniforum...Rather how it comes across.

My objection with the Owaisis is that they seem to make statements without any evidence, for example Saqfu spent an entire thread arguing that Hazrat Ahmed Lahori (RA) made a Statement that Hazrat Allah Yaar Khan (RA) was the Shahensha e Waqt..From my investigation that is completely untrue, I doubt if Hazrat Ahmed Lahori (RA) made any such statement...!
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#97 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 16:58
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My objection with the Owaisis is that they seem to make statements without any evidence, for example Saqfu spent an entire thread arguing that Hazrat Ahmed Lahori (RA) made a Statement that Hazrat Allah Yaar Khan (RA) was the Shahensha e Waqt..From my investigation that is completely untrue, I doubt if Hazrat Ahmed Lahori (RA) made any such statement...!


I believe its a bogus quote/statement since the name Shahensha is forbidden for mankind and the Ulama wouldn't make such an error.
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#98 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 17:17
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The question is did Maulana Allah Yaar Khan (RA) actually make this statement which you narrated ..."There is a quote by maulana allah yar khan rh where he mentioned that the greatest wali of this ummah was shaykh gilani, himself and finally imam mehdi..." Or is it an exaggerated claim made by his followers?

As for the aforementioned Maulana praising his Shaykh is this the bayaan?

salkeen.org/Downloads/Year-2010/Annual-2010/HBS%20&%20Mul... ,

you find the mureeds in every Silsilah praising their Shaykhs....!


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#99 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 17:41
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(salam)

Shahenshah literally means Emperor.. nothing wrong with the usage perse if used as titles like sultan ul Auliya.. etc.. Shahehsha e Waqt means Emperor of his time.. that he was the Emperor of Auliya at his time..

The question that Hazrat Lahori رحمة الله عليه really used the word for him is a different matter..

As far as the Personality of Hazrat Maulana Allah Yar Khan sahab رحمة الله عليه is concerned,.. i chose to remain silent..

As far as his khulafa are concerned.. kindly be as far away from them as possible..

duas..

wa Assalam..
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#100 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 17:50
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Aplogoies I have just looked at the relevant thread on Sunniforum this is what Saqfu actually stated....."look at hazrat ahmad ali lahori r.a he is one of the greats of this ummat yet he said about hazrat maulana allah yar khan r.a that he is the king of his times when some one is the king of his time what does this mean. it means he is the highest person in the whole ummat. if hazrat ahmed ali lahori r.a said this about hazrat allah yar khan r.a that means that hazrat ahmed lahori r.a cannot be wrong. he has knowlegde and therefore hazrat maulana allah yar khan is a great wali and everything he wrote was correct."

Regardless my conclusion is the above statement was never actually made by Hazrat Ahmed Lahori (RA).


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#101 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 17:54
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I have yet to come across the statement made by Hazrat Maulana Ahmed Ali Lahori رحمة الله عليه in any of his books..

wallahu Alam..
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#102 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 18:59
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salaam

can you explain this please. never heard of it before.
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#103 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2015 19:35
We learnt that Shahenshah means "King of Kings" and it is not a phrase Ulamaa tend to use. There's a Nasheed in which the Khulafa-e-Rashideen رضي الله عنهم are referred to as Shahenshah and in Darul Uloom a teacher pointed it out and said it's not correct. Because a King/Emperor is at the very top and the only one higher would be Allah.
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#104 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2015 00:17
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I hope this clarifies my point to the respected brothers.

The king of kings = badsha ka badhsa = shahensha. That's what I understood from an error I made a couple of years ago and was corrected by Maulana. The king of kings is Allah alone
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#105 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2015 00:49
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Yes I know who Moulana Yousuf Ludhyanwi RhA was and therefore urged in my previous post to limit the refutation to the limit that he did, and without adding anymore spice.
Look the way he concludes:


And one question for you: Are you the same person who was defending Mol Modudi? If Yes, then what was the logic of not taking and accepting the view of all Legit Scholars, including Hazrat Ludhyanwi RhA in that case and accepting in this case? What is the fundamental difference??
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