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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 16:16

But brother Muadh where are you (I know you have a life outside of MS), I keep checking this thread like every two hours in suspension.

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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 16:21

Interview has now been concluded

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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 16:25

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Basically, the final post has been updated now.

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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 16:27

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I did not forget anything which was of any importance for the readers, Insha'Allah

I have skipped things which he said personally to me or the audience which had nothing to do with Readers.

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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 16:32

With all due respect to Mufti Sahib:

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Mufti Saheb (HA) felt that English speaking Muslims lack command over their speech and their (hand gestures) and Umm…Ahmm… indicate that the thought process is happening during speech.
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Mufti Sahib is entitled to his own opinion. I am no expert in languages and the mannerisms present in the various languages, but is this one of Mufti Shaib's area of specialty, seeing that he already said he is not a specialist in certain areas.
I just hope certain people don't take this as another reason to give urdu language more importance or make it seem more religious than he english language as is still common among some people in the west.

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Mufti Saheb (HA) straightaway said no Technology you can use a paper (if you wish). I hadn’t.
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Hope people don't take this as fatwa and start to frown upon technology.

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You (all) like your fancy cars and your thing (what do you call it …CD???) and you put it in your cars and you listen and you read on (what do you call it …Internet???), is this how knowledge comes? Knowledge come reading (with depth).

Whats wrong with reading over the internet on your kindle? Its almost the same as reading from a book, even though even I prefer books rather than ebooks. And a laymen seeking to learn some basics may prefer to listen rather than read, whats wrong with this?

[quote]We affirm the statement of Imam Malik (RA) that Islah (reformation) of this (current) generation will only be done by following (ways and methodologies) of earlier generations.
لن يصلح آخر هذه الأمة إلا بما صلح به أولها
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[quote]Mufti Saheb (HA): Jamaats are travelling around the world, Ulama are travelling around the world, I am in this age and condition travelling around the world, is it not an effort to counter Baatil?
Mufti Saheb (HA): Our Darul-uloom (Deoband) already has a site for people but not much importance and emphasis is put on it. But Tableeghi Jamaat is even behind us (in these matters).

I am sure Mufti Sahib's personal view is not automatically or necessarily the superior or only recommended course of action.

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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 20:44

Did anyone manage to listen to today's Dars after asr? (heard some of it via MuftiSays MSNS on tunein radio)

Mufti Saeed Ahmed mentioned Dhikr in congregation loudly was not permitted as it is a nafil ibaadat and similarly no Nafil ibaadah can be done in congregation, be it Dhikr or Salah. The only exception in Salah were on the specific occasions like for rain etc.

He mentioned that this type if ijtemai Dhikr was biddah and started about 50 years ago. However if everyone is doing their own (individual) Dhikr in congregation then that's different.

Interesting, as he even named a friend of his from Preston and said he was doing biddah with his people in their mosque.

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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 20:58

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Feel like Mufti Saheb is speaking to me directly...But it takes a lot of sabr and hard work to change this habit.

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Did Mufti Saheb clarify what is bid'ah exactly? Zikr being done in unison in congregation (one voice) like how Shafi'i Habaib of Yemen might do or zikr done individually in congregation like how Hanafi Deobandis do?

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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 21:09

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Mufti Saheb (HA) makes some fantastic powerful points and although one may disagree with his Technology point of view but one should also see what he is saying and where it is taking us.

That's the summary of his Interview i.e. to deeply evaluate someone's position in depth.

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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 21:28

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He said that if the Masjid is the imams and not employed by the committee, i.e. it's his own place then there was leeway. But if the Imam was employed by the committee then to Dhikr in congregation loudly in unison was biddah. But if done individually yet in congregation then it's not biddah. Each one should be doing their own Dhikr if they wanted to do it in congregation. These rulings were according to Hanafi rules.

Someone correct me if I heard wrong.

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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 1st July 2015 22:34

There was a time when so many people felt dissatisfied with the methods of Deobandi Ulama. I myself would feel nervous sometimes calling myself a Deobandi. Some brothers here claim they have "jumped of the Deobandi band wagon" and I know how they felt.

But MashaAllah, listening to and reading what the real Deobandi Ulama have to say is much better.

It's a shame that our current 'desi' Ulama choose what they like and do what they want even though the classical Ulama say the complete opposite. They've adopted a lot from the Barelwi. They refute with the wrong attitude and then dilute their beliefs.

Just like what Mufti Saab said in the interview, one gets too engrossed in the topic and has mixed opinions, and from there it all goes down the drain.

Shaitan is there to fool them!

When will there be a unified school of Deoband?

The Ulama who oppose the classical work and introduce newly invented matters should really think about their consequences.

No wonder we have people who mock Deobandi Ulama, the cause are these misguiding so called Deobandi Ulama. Shame on them. Come back to the manhaj!

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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd July 2015 00:45

Readers should keep in mind, that Hadhrat Mufti Saeed Palanpuri sahab (HA) is a purely academical & scholarly personality. He got his field of expertise & is a master of it, but he never rejected the importance of other fields (in which he humbely claims to have no expertise in). His stance is simply to approach the experts of each field, which he said in the interview he refers people to. Let me elaborate on his scholarly temparement: There's one of his talks for Ulama available on the topic of Ghayr-Muqallidin fitnah. He scolded these Ulema very harshly for not being able to memorize a few Ayat & Ahadith on each Masa'alah to refute their deviances. (He even compiled a small book for students to memorise.) He also said, that Madaris from the whole country (India) request teachers for Sahih Bukhari from DU Deoband, but they hardly find scholars qualified for the job despite the thousands of graduates throughout India every year. He does not accept any scholarly mediocrity (this might be the reason he refuses to talk on subjects he does not consider himself proficient enough on). Anyway, bottom line is that Mufti sahab's advices & replies (also in this interview) will be more of benefit to serious students of divine knowledge than laymen. By the way I would not even agree, that he condones Tablighi Jama'at efforts (lecturing of laymen etc.)...

Regarding the use of technology & modern avenues for the sake of propagating Islam, then you could've posed the same questions to other scholars not even of less calibre nor less Deobandi (like a Hadhrat Mufti Taqi Usmani (ha), who even joined Twitter recently) and you would have received totally different answers. Temparement (mizaj) of our elders has always been diverse & it would be reflected in their methodology (none of them is "off the manhaj" because of that). Mufti sahab was lecturing Dora Hadith students of Darul Uloom Zakariyya in South Africa (audio is available on their website) and he said the Darul Uloom Deoband of Pakistan is Jamiatul 'Uloomul Islamiyah Allamah Binnori Town & that of South Africa (or the West) was Darul Uloom Zakariyya. Now, the reason chosing Binnori Town over Jamia Darul Uloom Karachi for example or DUZAK over Azaadville is clearly in the common "traditional old-school(, anti-technology) style" present in the prefered institutes. Although I understand the viewpoint of the pro-technology elders, I feel like the answers of the old-school traditionalists amongst our Akabir have a fascinating depth, insight & wisdom. I often miss this in the other group, whos replies at times appear less thoughtful.

Just my humble two cents... and Jazak'Allah khayran to uncle Muadh for letting us benefit. Even though Mufti sahab did not go into full details about for example fitnah of atheism & apostasy, it is already encouraging to know that the Shaykhul Hadith of DU Deoband and one of our most senior elders alive regards it as a big threat & announces his support in countering it. Masha'Allah, may Allah ta'ala reward Mufti sahab & enable us to appreciate all our elders of all the different natures.

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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd July 2015 02:44

With all due respect, bhai True-Life, I found most of your post to be nonsensical. Mufti Saheb doesn't need you to come to his defence just because his views are not agreeable to everyone. And how did it even cross your mind to write that Mufti Taqi Uthmani is "less Deobandi"?

Also, Muadh Bhai could you please clarify if Ulama of Deoband and Saharanpur, and Mufti Saheb specifically, do not agree with masturat jamat as a whole or just going out in khuruj?

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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd July 2015 02:48

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First off all, I was not trying to "defend" Mufti sahab. As you pointed out correctly Mufti sahab does not need a low-life like myself to defend him at all. I was just trying to give my unqualified thoughts on the interview. Lastly, I was trying to say actually the opposite, namely that some Akabir like Mufti Taqi Usmani (ha) not of less calibre nor less Deobandi will differ.

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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd July 2015 10:04

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So I get a dislike :) no problem inshaAllah.

My points were not in reference to not using technology etc but were in direct reference to Ulama who have taken different views and started to preach against the teachings and principles of Deoband and openly do something else. There is disagreement between Darul Uloom Deoband and the Ameers of certain groups.

Because of this, Biddah has crept into the Deobandi school of thought, and it won't be too long before Shirk enters (if it hasn't already done so). Be it Tabligh (which is good and accepted but disagreements on their ways in a few places), Tassawuf, Dhikr, Nafil Salah in congregation, Dua in congregation, Dhikr in congregation, Janazah, Burial, and so on)

There is a huge difference between Western Deobandi's and those of the Indian subcontinent (and I'm not talking about the Ulama in general) Last nite Mufti Saheb also said that he doesn't talk about certain topics like Karamah of Auliyah because they are mixed with either too much sweet or a bit of salt, and the Western Muslim's would not accept it due to their intellect, whereas in India, people accept it without a doubt and that's how the deen gets corrupted.

Also, by the term "Desi" I didn't mean those from the Indian subcontinent only. Some of these "desi" Ulama are resident in the Western world and have some Great students and the students don't exactly agree with or preach the same thoughts as their teachers because of the corruptness.

So I still feel that we should stick to our Manhaj*

*Manhaj (Arabic: والمنهاج) refers to the methodology of receiving, analyzing and applying knowledge. So, if you go by the correct understanding of the Quran and Sunnah then you are on the correct Manhaj. The correct understanding of the Quran and Sunnah is that of the righteous predecessors. It refers to the specific way and methodology adopted by Ahl us-Sunnah wal Jama'ah, that is derived from the Book and the Sunnah, upon the understanding of the Salaf, in the various affairs of the deen, be they related to beliefs, or other aspects of knowledge, or aspects of action.

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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd July 2015 11:40

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This is very important point ya akhi.
Luckily it is easy to dispose off.
Basically we the laymen from theological point of view have to change our attitude.
Deoband has given us the best interpretation of Islam and there is no doubt about that.
One only has to look at Barelwiat on one side and Salafism on the other side and the case is open and shut.
Of course Barelwis and Salafis have to be tackled but that is a different problem.

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