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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd March 2014 17:28
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Why does this forum allow anonymous users, what's the hikmah behind it ?? (Regardless of the fact that comments are moderated before appearing on the forum )

All I see them ever do is derail threads, cause pretty arguments or ask silly questions again and again etc, perhaps this feature should be stopped, unless there's some benefit that I'm missing here ?

In my opinion these members should be encouraged to make accounts and then debate and be argumentative if they wish. Why can't they make accounts/user names like we all have done ?


Just some thoughts

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd March 2014 17:57
We've had these discussions in the Authorizer section any times.

Here is what Maulana had to say at the end of it. Please bear in mind that the context is from a couple of years ago.

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The debate on guests posting is an old one. It was enabled initially at the very beginning.

As spam post increased, I mean real pam (not Fitnah khors), spam like "Thank you! 32095720" or "Buy now very good site! Check my site" constantly, I began creating measures to decrease this. It was on and off.

Eventually, I disabled guests posting and the spam decrease by 30-40% - Then there were many many more customisations until 95% of spam was killed.

Registering is not always the best option. I myself don't like t register anywhere unless I become a heavy user.

I also noticed that the guest who posted often before is now a registered member and posts as both guest and member. It is my responsibility to not disclose the username as their choice to remain anonymous is their choice.

We must respect the wishes of general users within its limits. If they wish to post as a guest, we thank them for their contribution. It's a good thing. I feel that if it was not allowed, we'd have that many less posts.

Visits in the past 2 months have increased heavily and as much as I give full credit to your contributions (members), I have to give a little credit to the guests.

Guest posting and anonymous entries have always been around. It's part of the "pull" and the user friendly side of site services. If they paste anything from another site or a specific 'Aalim, remember that we do not own the rights to that information so they can post from it. (I hope I'm not being too direct ummi taalib). I'm doing my best to put this nicely.

Now that the forum is not a freely available GNU Public licensed forum and it's build from scratch (i.e. hidden code), spam is almost impossible and Alhamdulillah since we've started this new forum, there's not been a single automated spam. Just a few genuine human submitted advert attempts.

So guest posting was enabled again in certain forums only. If a person does not like guests taking part in their topics, we also have an option to create a private forum for members and subscribers of the private usergroup only such as the members research group.

This way, we have taken care of all parties and muftisays.com remains in the words of the Hadeeth, along the best path.. "Khayrul Umoori Awsatuha" the best way is a balanced way (in between).

I hope this clears all the frustration guests might have caused and why I was pretty clear before the topic even started the guests will not be disabled again.

We do still have restrictions on them
visual confirmation
no links
many keyword filters
no subscription
can't start new topics
can only reply on some forums
etc

So it's not all good but they choose to post as guest, we can only assume there's a reason and give them the benefit of the doubt.

Jazakumullah to all the authorizers for your countless contributions and Allah knows exactly how much easier you have all made it for me to increase services here over the past year or so. Truly amazing contribution and the rewards will never be known till they are rewarded.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd March 2014 18:04
If I'm not mistaken, admin also mentioned recently that there would be an option on certain threads to lock out guest posters to stop threads from derailing, on the new forum updates.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd March 2014 18:11
I think the rules need to be updated now perhaps. Anonymous posting is good but in my view should only be used when there's a genuine reason to remain anonymous, example someone going through a messy divorce with a husband who's violent etc (someone seeking advice in a touchy situation) not for general things.

In my view this forum hasn't really been much of a debating forum it's been more of a providing info forum to a certain extent , hence the less users, most importantly it was never really encouraged and was something frowned upon, if threads were created asking questions then they would be directed to ask ulema the questions or told no debating allowed. Even though it has a myriad of threads with info on it, no questioning that, just not much debate what would happen on it/be encouraged or tolerated.

However with a slight change of policy and the opening of the fiqh section and a bit of laxness in debates etc, you'll eventually start to see more rush. So far I've seen hardly any good posts from anonymous users.

(I could be wrong on the above, but im just talking out loud here at the moment )

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd March 2014 18:56
We've had a fair share of guest posts in the past, pretty nerve racking too.

The recent guest posts have increased since SF has been down. Highly possible that the person is a known SFer with a bad reputation.

Whatever the case, it's fair to allow them to post anonymously.

If you don't like what you see with a valid reason, you know what action to take!
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 24th March 2014 07:53
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This is correct. Thread starters will have the ability to block guests from replying on the new update inshaAllah.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 24th March 2014 18:58
salaams, as a guest user i feel we should also have the right to reply question to the posts. maybe we have genuine questions, need clarifications etc. nabi SAW said the cure to ignorance is to question. I don't see why we should be forced to sign up. and also if there is anything wrong with the post wouldn't the admin guys catch it out
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 24th March 2014 19:39
I was personally attacked by the guests on a recent thread - it seemed more like he was a member because of the nature of the post he had posted...he / she thinks he will get away and I will not know...

Certainly Allah ta'ala knows and I will get my justice on Yaum ul Qiyamah unless that guest will seek my forgiveness and identify himself / herself.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 24th March 2014 20:00
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If we allowed guest users to ask questions, we would be flooded with questions. So I'm sure you understand why this can be difficult. It is also an extra unnecessary burden upon the authorizers. (and there aren't many of us)

If you notice the Q&A section, 99% of the answers already exist online. So a bit of extra searching by users will not harm them. Once again it's only genuine (as in people can't really find the answers) questions that feel authentic (if you know what I mean)
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 24th March 2014 20:28
re: the brother who was personally attacked - wouldn't that be the admin peoples job to stop that, maybe it slipped pass them accidently
im not talking about random questions, im on about questions related to that directly in the thread. not really sure what you mean about the question feeling authentic, i had a question a couple of days ago i was sincere in it and it was made out like i was trying to cause some sort of fitna. when someone finally answered i was happy with his response and didn't go on about it anymore, who knows maybe there were another 1000 people with the same question that didn't want to ask. Also it doesn't have to be an extra burden, just deal with it when you can no need to rush maybe you guys can split it in who deals with it on what day, set a specific time in that way you won't have to stress over it at other times
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 25th March 2014 04:36
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The guest user facility is useful, I agree. But lately its being abused, same person can pretend to be different users by using guest account.
Even an existing member can pretend to be a guest to post something he doesn't want to express with his own account.
From what I have seen in the last few months, most of the posts from a guest account is for arguments.

Its not like a big task to join a forum, just takes 2-3 minutes and if you turn off the subscription, no mails from the forum either. Most probably these guests must have accounts in 3-4 other forums. lol. Creating an account doesn't take away ones anonymity either.


Edit: Also I just did a test post as 'abc123' below. This opens space to a variety of fitna. Anyone can pretend to be anyone. Eg: In another thread there is a heated discussion going on between Black Turban and guest member 'streetfighter'. Anyone reading that thread can 'troll' the thread by posting something inciting as the guest 'streetfighter'.


Bottomline: Guest user facility creates more fitna than good. If someone wants to participate in the forum, let him/her create an account like any other forum out there.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 25th March 2014 04:38
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Testing.

This is Umar123, I just wanted to know if I could post as 'abc123' in the guest account.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 25th March 2014 05:14
See anyone can post as abc123. This is problematic.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 25th March 2014 06:27
This is the real abc123, Umar123 stop trying to steal my nick.

Why are you guys picking on annonymous posters ?

What's the big deal with it, I admit I'm really really lazy and can't be bothered to make an account.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 25th March 2014 09:24
Brother Im surprises that you are giving advice on how guests posts should be authorized because of the following reason....


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I admit I'm really really lazy and can't be bothered to make an account.
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