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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 10:57

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Nobody is asking you to do that at all!

Keep focus on Saudi Government, its policies and attrocities but just defer the matter of King Abdullah to Allah (SWT) as per the noble advice of Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam).

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 11:01

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Already have brother, but I won't be forgetting or turning a complete eye towards the ills done by this regime no time soon.

Husne Dhann is good just don't let it blind you, or be an excuse as it is for many to justify someone's actions.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 11:15

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All rulers of Saudia have sold Islam and Muslims from 1926 onwards.

This isn't Husnud-Dhan it's a direct command to leave those who have passed away alone by Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wassallam). All I am saying is to stick to policies and not person (for the sake of your own Eemaan).

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 11:40

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salaam

i do not have any evidence at all. all i have is what i have learned from ulama over the course of many years. what i have learned is certain acts throws a person out of the fold of islam, and that many of these acts were carried out and sanctioned by this tyrant of saudi.

if i have been mistaken in what i have learned then please clarify things for me and correct my mistakes. i truly am confused how the blatant kufr acts of this tyrant and the saudi regime does not throw them out from the fold of islam.

mujahideen are languishing and being tortured in saudi prisons. the saudi regime have and are assisting the kuffar against the muslims. is this not an act of kufr? does this not render ones iman null and void?

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 11:46

If I posted an article that said:

"The King passed away in his bed after reciting the Shahadah and was witnessed by the scholars present at the time, here is a YouTube video of his demise"

How would we react?

We don't know if he repented or not. We don't know if he recited the Shahadah as his last words.

No one is denying the crimes that took place, but we can't conclude what was in the heart and if he died with Imaan or not. This is in the hands of Allah. Therefore, it is better to remain silent.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 12:16

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salaam

as muslims are we not expected to judge upon what is apparent?

if its about the matter of the heart, then this would apply to every single person that dies.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 12:44

As Muslims, have we not been taught to judge someone with the 1 good action they have done out of the 99 bad actions?

Maybe someone can reproduce the Hadith.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 12:51

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Maybe we can start re-producing the other ahadith as well, the one who kills one is like he has killed whole of humanity

and many others as well on deceit,fraud, vanity, corruption etc etc

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 12:52

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For the sake of my own imaan, hazrat please clarify ?

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 12:53

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Wasalam

I also want to know this brother, if you do get an answer let me know as well please.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 12:54

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If you follow me on twitter you will see that I am clearly exposing the 51st state of Ameria i.e. Saudia, its rulers and its policies

but Steer clear from criticising King Abdullah after his death as per Sunnah; thats what I am saying...

His chapter is closed, leave it to Allah (SWT).

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 13:26

This is precisely what I'm saying too. All the other facts are there but

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Steer clear from criticising King Abdullah after his death as per Sunnah; thats what I am saying...

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 13:36

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Alright, fair enough then brother.

As long as its not a denial of its past doings then I can agree with that. Will check your twitter too.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 15:33

I think perhaps the following Narration would be more apt for the likes of King Abdullah saud, Late King Hussain of Jordan, and Hosni Mubarak if refuses to make public repentance before his death etc.

645. Narrated Ibn 'Umar رضى الله عنهما : When 'Abdullâh bin Ubay (the chief of hypocrites) died, his son came to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and said, O Allâh's Messenger, please give me your shirt to shroud him in it, offer his funeral prayer and ask for Allâh's Forgiveness for him. So Allâh's Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم gave his shirt to him and said, Inform me (when the funeral is ready) so that I may offer the funeral prayer. So, he informed him and when the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم intended to offer the funeral prayer, 'Umar رضى الله عنه took hold of his hand and said, Has Allâh not forbidden you to offer the funeral prayer for the hypocrites? The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said, I have been given the choice, for Allâh تعالى says: 'Whether you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم ) ask forgiveness for them (hypocrites), or ask not forgiveness for them ...., (and even) if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness .... Allâh will not forgive them.' (V.9:80) So the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم offered the funeral prayer and on that the revelation came: And never (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم ) pray (funeral prayer) for any of them (i.e. hypocrites) who dies. (V.9:84). (2:359O.B.)

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2015 15:35

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So you are saying the two actions highlighted are not just sins but makes one a kaafir? Can you show me an article of fatwa which clearly states that those acts are kufr?

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