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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 14:38

What is the origin of ties.. Specially bow ties in particular.. Is it a part of the christian religious attire?

I'd be very glad If i could get a simple no or yes too.. 

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 15:05
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 15:10
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No!

ORIGIN
The bow tie originated among Croatian mercenaries during the Prussian wars of the 17th century: the Croat mercenaries used a scarf around the neck to hold together the opening of their shirts. This was soon adopted (under the name cravat, derived from the French for "Croat") by the upper classes in France, then a leader in fashion, and flourished in the 18th and 19th centuries.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 15:13
The History of Ties

In case you ever wondered why men wear ties around their neck, then here is the answer. Find out the entire history of ties, bowties, the ascot, as well as the history of silk.

The History of Neck- and Bowties

If the word “tie” is defined as a piece of clothing accessory that is worn around the neck, then the history of this piece of clothing will date back to the early days of weaving and spinning because scarves have been used for thousands of years to help protect against the cold. When thinking of a tie that is purely decorative rather than functional then the early roots are found in the 17th century in France. During the 30 years war (1618-1648) Croatian mercenaries came to France to support King Louis XIII. The Croats used a piece of cloth to tie the top of their uniforms. King Louis found liking in this type of scarf and adopted it as a mandatory clothing accessory for Royal gatherings after the war was over. To honor the Croats he gave it the name “La Cravate” – a name still used in France today.

These early cravats were purely decorative pieces of cloth that were made from finest and most elaborately decorated fabrics. The looks of these early ties resemble more bowties rather than a modern necktie. The necktie as we know it today is much younger in age and dates back to the late 19th century - after the Four-in-Hand necktie knot had been invented. It is said that this modern necktie knot was invented by British horsemen who used this knot to tie a scarf around their neck while holding the reigns of four horses in the other.

Several types of decorative pieces of mens neckwear originated during this time-period such as the bowtie and the ascot. The modern necktie derived from the ascot and became popular around the 1920s. Since then neckties have been worn by men, and although the width of ties has changed depending on current fashion trends, ties are still worn the same way.

The Story of the Ascot Tie

The ascot tie is the forefather of the modern necktie. It is a type of tie that looks like a cross between modern necktie and a silk scarf. Unlike a modern necktie, both ends of the tie have the same width. The tie is also tied much looser than a modern necktie, and the knot is typically secured with a decorative pin. To learn this type of knot please visit our guide on How to Tie an Ascot.

The ascot originated during the later part of the 19th century in Britain. It is named after the exclusive horserace “The Royal Ascot” - an event at which men were required to wear this type of tie in combination with a tailcoat jacket (also known as morning coat). Today ascots are rarely worn but still spotted at very formal events and formal weddings.

The Bolo Tie

The Bolo is a completely different type of neckwear that is mostly associated with Western/ Cowboy wear. The bolo is typically found in Texas or Arizona. It is made of braded pieces of leather that are fastened around the neck with a decorative clasp.

The bolo tie has its roots in the mid 19th century in Arizona. It was invented by silversmith Victor Cedarstaff in the early 1940s. According to the story Mr. Cedarstaff was riding his horse. He got frustrated that the wind kept blowing off his cowboy hat, and worried that he may lose the expensive silver band which decorated his hat, he decided to take it off and wear it around his neck. He liked the look and started making such type of necklaces which shortly after became known as the “bolo tie”.

Over the next few decades the bolo tie gained much popularity, and in 1971 was made the official neckwear for the state of Arizona. Then, in 2007 New Mexico followed suit making the bolo also their official neckwear.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 15:53
Jazakumullahukhairan for rhw replies..
who were Croats at that time? Christians?
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 15:54
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 16:04
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 16:11
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Croatia in Habsburg Monarchy (1527–1918), Ottoman Empire (1493–1699) and fall of the Republic of Venice (1797)


As the Turkish incursion into Europe started, Croatia once again became a border area. The Croats fought an increasing number of battles and gradually lost increasing swaths of territory to the Ottoman Empire. Ottoman conquests led to the 1493 Battle of Krbava field and 1526 Battle of Mohács, both ending in decisive Ottoman victories. King Louis II died at Mohács, and in 1527, and the Hungarian parliament elected János Szapolyai as the new king of Hungary. Another Hungarian parliament elected Ferdinand Habsburg as King of Hungary. On the other side, the Croatian Parliament met in Cetin and chose Ferdinand I of the House of Habsburg as new ruler of Croatia, under the condition that he provide protection to Croatia against the Ottoman Empire while respecting its political rights. A few years later both crown would be again united in Habsburgs hands and the union would be restored. The Ottoman Empire further expanded in the 16th century to include most of Slavonia, western Bosnia (then called Turkish Croatia) and Lika.

Later in the same century, Croatia was so weak that its parliament authorized Ferdinand Habsburg to carve out large areas of Croatia and Slavonia adjacent to the Ottoman Empire for the creation of the Military Frontier (Vojna Krajina, German Militaergrenze) which would be ruled directly from Vienna's military headquarters. The area became rather deserted and was subsequently settled by Serbs, Vlachs, Croats and Germans and others. As a result of their compulsory military service to the Habsburg Empire during conflict with the Ottoman Empire, the population in the Military Frontier was free of serfdom and enjoyed much political autonomy, unlike the population living in the parts ruled by Hungary.

After the Bihać fort finally fell in 1592, only small parts of Croatia remained unconquered. The Ottoman army was successfully repelled for the first time on the territory of Croatia following the battle of Sisak in 1593. The lost territory was partially restored, except for large parts of today's Bosnia and Herzegovina, Lika and Slavonia regions of present Croatia.

By the 18th century, the Ottoman Empire was driven out of Hungary, and Austria brought the empire under central control. Empress Maria Theresa of Austria was supported by the Croatians in the War of Austrian Succession of 1741–1748 and subsequently made significant contributions to Croatian matters.

With the fall of the Venetian Republic in 1797, its possessions in eastern Adriatic became subject to a dispute between France and Austria. The Habsburgs eventually secured them (by 1815) and Dalmatia and Istria became part of the empire, though they were in Cisleithania while Croatia and Slavonia were under Hungary.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 16:15
I saw on wiki that Croats are Christians..
ties can't be a Muslim tradition..
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 16:21
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 16:24
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No one is claiming it to be part of any religion.

You asked what religion was followed in that era, and I gave the dates of the ruling government and their rise and fall.

Croats are Christian today, but don't forget where Bosnia "was" and what religion it follows until today.

Following the decisive Ottoman victories, Croatia was split into civilian and military territories, with the partition formed in 1538. The military territories would become known as the Croatian Military Frontier and were under direct Imperial control. Ottoman advances in the Croatian territory continued until the 1593 Battle of Sisak, the first decisive Ottoman defeat, and stabilisation of borders.[30]

During the Great Turkish War (1667–1698), Slavonia was regained but western Bosnia, which had been part of Croatia before the Ottoman conquest, remained outside Croatian control. The present-day border between the two countries is a remnant of this outcome. Dalmatia, the southern part of the border, was similarly defined by the Fifth and the Seventh Ottoman–Venetian Wars
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 16:29
but.. does that mean that these bow ties were first worn by Muslims? if yes why does ask imam says to avoid it.. if this was a Muslim thing then they copied us.. and.. ties belong to Muslims..
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 16:33

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Baji,

Are sweaters a Muslim tradition?

Is Mufler a Muslim tradition?

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 16:35
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Sister, look at this way :)

The tie was an invention to hold the shirt together, correct.

For those who claim it is not allowed because it represents The Cross, What do you and these people make of what the Pakistani's (and the other Asians) call the Naala (I think thats what it is called) i.e. Pyjama string. Although the purpose of that is to hold the trousers up, isn't it the same sort of thing, i.e. covering the chest securely?

:)

Just a thought!
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 27th November 2014 16:35
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" . During the 30 years war (1618-1648) Croatian mercenaries came to France to support King Louis XIII. The Croats used a piece of cloth to tie the top of their uniforms. King Louis found liking in this type of scarf and adopted it as a mandatory clothing accessory for Royal gatherings after the war was over. "

Why would Muslims support a christian?
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