A Petty Squabble Over A Name? Stealing a name

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2014 06:57

A Petty Squabble Over A Name? Think Again!

Tuesday, 30 September 2014

“And those who defame believing men and believing women undeservedly bear the guilt of slander and manifest sin.” (33:58)

The United Ulama Council of South Africa (UUCSA) was formally constituted in 1994 under the guidance of Moulana Yunus Patel, Moulana Abdur Razzaq, Sheik Naziem Mohammed, Ml Yusuf Karan and Moulana Abbas Jeena. The vision of these founding fathers was to provide a forum for Ulama of different persuasions to jointly engage and interact with Government on behalf of the Muslim Community of South Africa.

The founding members of UUCSA were:

• Jamiatul Ulama South Africa (formerly known as Jamiatul Ulama Transvaal - 1923)

• Jamiatul Ulama KZN (1955)

• Muslim Judicial Council (1945)

• Sunni Jamiatul Ulama (1978)

• Sunni Ulama Council (1992)

The following two organisations subsequently joined UUCSA bringing the total number of members to seven:

* Council of Ulama Eastern Cape (1999)
* Eastern Cape Islamic Congress (1996)

UUCSA had since inception made substantial contributions in its engagement with Government; it was invited to Parliament on the eve of the adoption of the Constitution to discuss issues relating to freedom of religion, it played a critical role in re-drafting Anti – Terror legislation in South Africa, it has also played a major role in drafting legislation aimed at the legal recognition of Muslim Marriages. It has in its twenty years of existence become a cohesive voice for mainstream Ulama formations in our country. At no time did it however claim to be the absolute voice of all the Ulama formations in our country.

UUCSA perhaps in its naivety did not register its name and logo with the Registrar of Trade Marks. It certainly did not expect anyone to usurp its identity and name. It was however proved wrong when Ml A S Desai of Port Elizabeth fraudulently registered the name with the Trade Marks Office in 2013. Subsequent to the registration he threatened UUCSA with legal action if it continued using the name. UUCSA responded by launching an application out of the JHB High Court to expunge the fake UUCSA trade mark.

Ml Desai justifies usurping the name on the basis that ‘UUCSA’ was formed in 1989 by senior Ulama of the country at a meeting held in Port Elizabeth at which he was appointed as secretary. Incidentally, the ‘evidence’ he tenders in support of the ‘hijack’ is the same he used when he previously usurped the name of Jamiatul Ulama South Africa. If the belated UUCSA was indeed formed in 1989, why:

* Did no one hear of its existence from 1989 to 2013?

* Did it not publish or circulate a single statement in its name from 1989 to mid-2013?

* Is it unable to produce minutes of a single meeting since its alleged inception?

It is strikingly odd that the very individual who had all along acknowledged the existence of UUCSA albeit through his disparaging and pejorative publications, realized after twenty years that the name really belongs to him.

The public may be forgiven for thinking that this is no more than a petty spat over a name between two Ulama bodies. The reality however is very different. The hijack of our name should be viewed against the backdrop of the advance of the voice of extremism in various hot spots around the globe. Every country has its own brand of parochial extremists. South Africa is no different….the brand of extremism in South Africa subscribes to passive aggression; it tries to bludgeon people into silence and conformity through its acerbic publications and through brazen deception. This shameless impersonation and piracy is an attempt to expand the voice of extremism by giving it a veneer of respectability through the use of the name ‘UUCSA.’ This is not a fight for an appellation but rather a desperate attempt to spread a brand of Islam which:

* Asserts that it is the only sort committed to defending and reviving a puritanical and pristine version of the Deen

* Claims to be the only custodian of Haqq to the exclusion of everyone else

* Dismisses those who differ with its views as deviates or disbelievers.

* Campaigns by all means, fair or foul, against those who hold views contrary to its interpretation of the Deen

* Almost always focusses its attacks against fellow Muslims, especially the Ulama

Pursuant to the ‘hijack’ of UUCSA, several other UUCSA’s suddenly mushroomed, bearing the hallmarks of similar crudity and primitiveness. Each one of them is now used to tout further division and confusion in the community. Recent instances of brazen deception include the following false public statements meant primarily to mislead the public:

“In view of his flagrant rebellion against Authority – the Ulama of UUCSA – the Shuraa Council of UUCSA has relieved Moulana Yusuf Patel of his post, viz., the post of Assistant Secretary of our Middleburg branch. We are therefore compelled to inform the Muslim public that Moulana Patel has been expelled from UUCSA. Any statements which he may issue in our name should be regarded as fraudulent and criminal”

“UUCSA (United Ulama Council of S.A.) hereby informs the Muslim Ummah of a revision in its former view on the Muslim Marriages Bill (MMB). Formerly, UUCSA, believing that the MMB proposal was in the interests of Muslims, had supported it. However, after in depth research and consultations with a wide variety of Muslim experts, religious and secular, we recognize the dangers to the Shariah posed by MMB.”

“In our view there is no doubt in the fact that all commercially slaughtered chickens are Haraam. It is incumbent on Muslims to abstain from consuming the chickens. It is not permissible for Muslim traders to sell these chickens which are all Haraam.”

An ‘UUCSA’ website listed under the name of one Yusuf Nana was also registered as recently as 11 August 2014. A search as per the physical address that appears on its letterhead leads to a very opaque location in Vanderbijlpark. Even the mobile number of Yusuf Nana which is listed as 076 170 3280 draws a blank. When contacted by a staff member of one of the Radio Stations he denied having any association with the website.

The ‘name steal’ is part of a bigger agenda which is bound to politically and socially compromise the integrity and marginalize the Muslim community of South Africa. It has already legitimised vulgarity and scorn in the name of religion. If we allow the ‘name steal’ to go unchallenged, we may inadvertently allow a chauvinistic brand of Islam to dominate the public space in South Africa!

“The trust of the innocent is the liar's most useful tool."

Kindly take note of the operational addresses of UUCSA as they appear on the top of our letterhead.

Wasalaam
Sheikh A H Gabier
President

Yusuf Patel
Secretary General

30 September 2014
uucsa.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77...

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 16th October 2014 11:38

اناللہ واناالیہ راجعون

But not surprising, but hopefully إن شآء الله the MS mods will censor him so called fatwas.

May Allah ta'ala help the Muslim ummah and esp. the ulamah e Huqq to stem the rot and stop the fitnah that's happening in the name of Deoband.

Note that I don't know anything about the uccsa but my comments are totally based on his publications etc. and not on uccsa.

Glad that there are people who aren't hazratified.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 24th March 2017 16:57

www.radioislam.org.za/a/index.php/latest-news/20592-uucsa...

aizel Patel, Radio Islam News - 24-03-2017

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The High Court in Pretoria has ruled in favour of the United Ulama Council of South Africa (UUCSA) in its trade mark expungement application brought against an organisation which Ml. AS Desai claims to have formed and to represent.

In 2013 Ml. Desai from Port Elizabeth registered the name “United Ulama Council of South Africa” as a trade mark and thereafter sought to prevent UUCSA from using this name.

UUCSA launched proceedings in 2014 to expunge the trade mark registered by on the basis, amongst others, that the fake UUCSA of Ml. Desai did not act in good faith when it registered the trade mark and had no legal interest in the use of the trade mark.

The high court today ruled that the fake UUCSA of Ml Desai had no legitimate or lawful claim to the trade mark “United Ulama Council of South Africa” when it caused such trade mark to be registered and that the trade mark was registered male fides (in bad faith) as contemplated in the Trade Marks Act.

The court also ruled that the Registrar of Trade Marks must remove the fake trade mark of Ml. AS Desai from the Trade Marks Register with immediate effect.

Ml. AS Desai has also been ordered by the court to pay UUCSA’s court costs.

In a statement Secretary General Ml. Yusuf Patel’s says they are thankful the court has ruled in their favour.

“The court order is a damning indictment on those persons who used unlawful and unethical means to register our name as their own. What makes it worse is that this was done in the name of religion.”

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 24th March 2017 19:29

what are they united on?

moulood?
women and the mosques?

please give examples of their unity.

i have heard that currently in south africa, there is no genuine uucsa.

some members of uucsa:

* Council of Ulama Eastern Cape (1999)
* Eastern Cape Islamic Congress (1996)
• Jamiatul Ulama South Africa (formerly known as Jamiatul Ulama Transvaal - 1923)
• Jamiatul Ulama KZN (1955)

say that today 24 march is 25 jamaadith thaani

BUT the following 3 SAY:

• Muslim Judicial Council (1945)

• Sunni Jamiatul Ulama (1978)

• Sunni Ulama Council (1992)
TODAY IS THE 24TH

SO WHAT IS UNITED ABOUT UUCSA!!!!!!!

ALSO NOTE JAMIAT TRANSVAAL SAID PHOTOS ARE HARAAM
AND THE NEW JAMIAT SOUTH AFRICA SAYS HALAAL.

SO.......................

THINK AGAIN.
SONT FIGHT OVER A NAME.
THERE IS SIMPLY NO UUCSA.....

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 24th March 2017 20:24

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That is a different discussion because you have lost the Legal and Moral Account.

The fact that someone who gives Fatwaas on not following the Kuffar choose to:

1) Parent a Name
2) Fought in Court to defend it

And lost badly is the point!

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 24th March 2017 22:13

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Brother first you post fatwas from mufti a.s. desai, then you claim you don't know the "chap" and here you are again, on a thread about the same scholar....is this some kind of trolling? You only pop up in certain situations!

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i dont care about this as desai chap

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 28th March 2017 15:32

bro cool it.

what is worng about posting his fatwa and then commenting on it?

cant you understand what i wrote about uucsa.

as desai is for uucsa.

im against all uucsa...

read and understand....

if u cant respond to what i wrote about moulood, etc. then dont talk rubbish.

there is no unity in uucsa!!!!

i can snap and pop when i want.
why are u itching about it?

also what trolling and scrolling are you lolling bout ekse?

prove the unity of uucsa, then talk.

what deeni status does uucsa have?

what ta'leem and enjoining good and forbid evil have they done?

come now speak

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 28th March 2017 15:42

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brother.

the name uucsa is fraudulent and deception in the first place.

i dont think Molvi as would steal a name just like that.

i wonder why NAbi Yusuf alayhis salaam accused his brother of stealing despite knowing that he was not a thief.

i think uucsa is deception in the first place.
molvi as should have not usurped the name. i agree.

but they should not have the name uucsa in the first place.

you cant have a name which shows that you represent the whole country, but you dont!

Mufti ak is agiants these marriages bills, he said it on cii.

i am sure other ulama are with him.

and uucsa is for the bills. check their website.

so this is deception.

the truth of the matter. uucsa belongs to none.

not as desia and not jusuf patel

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 28th March 2017 16:56

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South African Slang.

Afrikaans word meaning "I say"

Pronounced (Exs-Air)

Alternative Form of Writting: Exe (Exs-Air)

Slang meaning - A common name given to friends. Similar to 'dude'. This word is only meant to be said when gaining attention from one male to the next.

Well you sure are seeking attention :)

But I can't be bothered dude :p

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 28th March 2017 20:41

adamjee wrote:

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You live in a country which speaks English so please write in English so we can understand what the heck you are actually saying!

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