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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 16:57
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No, we were not ruled by mutaqis, because we succumbed to our nafs and let the purpose of Pakistan become a forgotten tale.

The Ik hype, because that's the current attention. People are wasting their time in discussing news about him, almost daily. This is pure satanic deception.

Relooking and rethinking, and looking at the disgusting state of the public, I conclude; failure and the wrath of Allah azza wa jal
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 17:06
Again, the conclusion you reached was already reached more than 3 decades ago. So what you stated was a reality many many decades ago and not just for Pakistan, but the whole ummah. In these crisis, he has just come out as a fair person, who wants to make the current system of Pakistan less corrupt and fair. This is all to it...i dont even know why we would start comparing this somehow indirectly with khair-ul-quroon .......I think We muslims understand the gutter we are collectively in together for the longest time.

So its better we keep things in perspective and context If wasting our time to discuss these issues.
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 17:32

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Disgaree.

The greatest asset of a human being is his/her credibility. This person is masquerading as a "Muslim". I have no problems if he clearly states that I am a "Qadiyani" and I am disctinct and different to "Islam and Muslims"

Right now he is using deception!

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 17:39
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I was talking about Imran khan....clearly he is not a qadiani....but in terms of him choosing a qadiani finance minister....for that time will tell...I dont have any knowledge about his such intentions ....it would be definitely a blunder on his part if he makes such a move.,

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 17:48
As for Imran Khans religious views he claims to be a Sufi and that he was influenced by a Mian Bashir who had clairvoyancy skills. He credits him to turning him from an ignorant Westernised pakistani to a proud Muslim.

In the mid 1990's he seemed to be attracted by Jammat Islami, he spoke of Implementing Sharia in Pakistan etc.

Seems to have respect for Tablighi Jamaat.

But generally you could say he is both politically and religiously a well meaning but confused bufoon, with no clear cut strategies.

He speaks out against the Westernised pakistanis amongst the ruling elite whilst his party has many very liberal and secularised pakistanis in it.

He has spoken out constantly against the anti-Islamic propaganda of the west. But contradictorily his political rallies have introduced a mix of music and dance that no other political parties have had the courage to promote at any of their events previously.

He speaks out against corruption but has many tainted politicians who have joined his own party. His political strategies are naive to say the least. For example he aims to tackle Police Corruption by having elected Sheriffs and Police commisioner. Which anyone with commensense knows will lead to more corruption.

As someone wrote.

The world suffers its well-meaning fools,
who often jump in before sensibility rules.






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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 17:59
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He is better than the lot, and this is it....all the things you mentioned are present in much more depth in the other parties....in some cases the only differences is his life is an open book...where as others have it behind the scene....even then he comes out clean compared to them.......

Hence, no one is saying Imran Khan is coming to bring back khilafa and Shariah.....all he is doing is an effort to break the current corrupt political monopoly of Pakistan. I wonder if you will pick Nawaz or Zardari over him?.....

I again encourage not to distort the context and reality this is all happening in. and stop comparing Pakistan to Khair-ul-quroon, or to the majalis of your hazrats that Alhamdulillah you guys are blessed with.
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 18:20
I would not pick any of them.

Zardari has selected the biggest criminals in Pakistan and put them in his party, among them many Islam hating atheists like Hussain Haqqani and Salman Taseer. His party is purely a criminal corporation who's policy is to loot as much money from the coffers and funnel them into their own foreign back accounts.

Sharif lot of Political elites and baradari politicians in his party. The objective of his party is to loot a percentage of the money, and leave one or maybe two big engineering projects such as roads or bridges behind.

Imran Khan unlikely to get elected so its all a moot point. I was a big supporter of Imran Khan all the way from when he formed his party in the 90's but having listened to his policies over the last few years the guy is clueless. And if he does get elected His liberal policies concerning the youth will be a disaster.

And as a famous speaker from the 80's Qari Hanif Multani رضي الله عنه used to say that a Zani nation will never achieve success.........!



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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 19:01
I was wondering is there a system in place in Pakistan.

1. In democracy can a mob dictate.

2. Tomorrow Nawaz sharif moves a bigger mob and the mob demands sending imran and qadri to jail, should the government oblige?

3. Why is the judicial system so weak?

4. With great difficulty military is separated from power, will things repeat again?

5. Regarding taqwah of rulers, no saint will come forward to rule pakistan.

6. Which democracy in the world is clean, every political party is ruling with non-conventional and illegal practices.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 19:14
There is no democracy in Pakistan what you have is Mafia politics. Votes are either bought or obtained through intimidation.

What they (poltical parties) do is go to local community leaders/ or Tribal elders and pay him x amount of money and he will gurantee votes.

So in the present scenario Zaradari is more likely to be elected leader then Imran Khan in the next election.

Only way to remove corruption would be a benevolent dictator.
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 19:54
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 20:53

The term Inqilaab (revolution) is worn out when used in the context of Pakistan. Anything and everything is called an “Inqilaab”, we need an “Inqilaab” to solve the power crisis, we need an “Inqilaab” to solve the illiteracy issues, the Chief Justice will bring “Inqilaab” by providing cheap, speedy and efficient justice….etc etc etc.

Anyone can claim an “Inqilaab” by brining 1 million men on the streets (in reality these are usually 5-10,000 men at best but who’s counting!)

When looking through the prism of history an “Inqilaab” always has a revolutionary idea behind it. The creation of Pakistan had the powerful idea of Islam and asserting the Islamic identity of Muslims. This powerful idea drove (and united) the Muslims of India and culminated in the creation of Pakistan because it was felt that a (Muslim) state was needed to implement Islam. If the practise of Islam was mere rituals then there would have been no need for Pakistan, in fact Muslims of India have most of their ritualistic practises protected under Indian constitution and with the posts of Qadhees are much more flexible and adaptable to life under Islamic Shariah.

When we look at Imran Khan we find no revolutionary idea behind the “Inqilaab”. He is the least corrupt(able), best of the options but there is no big idea (no powerful) revolutionary force. He does pay lip Service to Islam but there is neither knowledge, practice or implementation of Islam in either him or his party, you have to be blind not to see that.

Majority of Pakistanees have deeply held allegiance to Islam (although practise may be lacking) but the fervour and the passion for Islam is self-evident. This majority will NEVER accept Imran Khan and neither is Imran claiming to bring about Shariah (or Islam). So this galvanising, powerful revolutionary force is lost (as a motivational tool).

That leaves us with Secularism. Nawaz Shareef’s Government was elected by democratic means and brining a mob to the capital to hold a knife at the country’s jugular is an affront to democratic traditions. Nawaz Shareef Government should be allowed to complete its term (as per constitution of Pakistan) otherwise the tradition of “mob hustle with muscle” will continue in Pakistan.

Imran Khan may yet succeed in bringing down the Shareef Government but it won’t be because of “Inqilaab” but because of lack of a better choice!

Pakistani people deserve better then to merely pick the least evil. In fact they should demand better! But that will require a “Inqilaab” and since majority are Muslim and have deeply held (unshakeable) convictions about Islam lets really give Islam a try and not pay lip service.

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 18th September 2014 05:41
Assalamu Alaykum,

I am simply amazed, that the majority of the deeni people do not know about the Sharai Hukum of Imran Khan's rallies.

What ever Imran Khan is doing comes under "Bhaghawat". It is clear from Quran and Sunnah, that you can not topple an elected government with force or with aggression (even if the government consists of Fasiq and Fajir rulers). The fiqh books contain the chapter Kitab-ul-Bhughaat and the Sharai Hukum is clear.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 18th September 2014 06:53
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That is the problem in Indian subcontinent. When a big mob accuses a person, judgement is delivered. But later inquiries clear the person, it is too late. Damage cannot be undone.

So opposition in Pakistan should learn political ethics. If you have a problem, place it in a democratic way. Prove it in courts. You have numbers in Parliament, prove it there. May be god willing, you may taste power, then will it not boomerang on you?

After decades, democratic system is in place, honor that, may be it has teething problem, but allow it settle for the sake of pakistanis.

And regarding Islamic point of view on current issues. Let us separate religion with democracy. No political party will deliver on religion, it may exploit religion and religion will get bad name and people will distance from religion.

The religious scholars can oversee the activities of government and suggest ways of implementing Islamic laws. They cannot go beyond that.
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 18th September 2014 08:53
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dear respected brother although you make good points I would have to strongly disagree with you. Firstly the overemphasis on democracy and the implication that religion and politics should not mix. Political parties can deliver on Islam and history has proven this. In our times there are many obstacles but it can happen. We do not want to be in a state like most of the arab world where the government wipes out Islam, does not let you even pray salah with jamaat, have no taleem in the masjid, allow scholars to even read their own khutbah or run their madrasahs. History has shown that when Muslims with strong imaan stay away from politics and governance chaos spreads on land and sea and many decades of good work is undone. The situation in central asia is infront of you.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 18th September 2014 08:59
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Maulaana there is a big difference between the secularists governments of today and the governments of the past. Also the issue is complex as the first person we would have to brand as a 'baaghi' Nauzbillah would be Imam husain the shahid of karbala the imam of ahle bait and other imams of the ahle bait. Also it is well known that imam abu hanifa rh also worked at toppling the regime. Salman al awdah has done some good research on this. i.e. it is balanced. Overall I would agree with you that one should only work to topple the government if one has power and is sure of the consequences like a bloodless coup. Also Nawaz's government is hardly ideal. At the same time I'm not a fan of Imran khan, nor the military, nor ml fazlur rahman. Let us wait for a miracle to happen inshallah.
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