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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 13:32
Some of the comments and posts in this thread are bid'ah infested.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 13:39
Let's look at it from another perspective!

There's a new Muslims whos parents are still non-Muslims. After reaching old age both parents pass away without ever embracing Islam, despite the efforts & supplications of their Muslim son/daughter. Does this new Muslim now have to blame himself for not committing a forbidden act, which could have convinced the parents? Or should his/her consciousness be reassured, that he/she utilized all legal means available to him/her and it was ultimately Allah's decision?
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 14:31
Assalamu alaykum
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 14:46
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Brother Abu Mohammed has already spoken from personal experience. Yet, it seems that your bid'ah-loving friend has far greater affinity to your heart then the relationship of father-son.

The examples with these kind of relationships are prevalent in Islamic history. Instead of responding emotionally in the vernacular come up with some proper answers for eg. where is the precedence of this DIY ijtihad found in the Shari'ah, who regulates this ijtihad and the many other questions posed to you already on this thread.
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 14:56
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Br. Abu Mohammed has just given an hint and didn't speak about the whole incidence.

I have posted my own experience. I was a debandee and tableeghee hater, I use to abuse them. Even fought in favour of bidah.

My will wisher adopted a way, which I am following, Alhamdulillah we have no bidah both in myself and the whole family.

I have many incidents in my own life.

But when a mufti says, results won't justify means, I give up.

also some one says, if hundred people get hidayah it won't justify; then I give up.

And some one says it is valid for non muslims not for muslims, then I give up.
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:32
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I don't have to go into details as the point was made, my family were Barelwi! That should say it all!

I was also bought up with the same background except I went to a deobandi madressa by default.
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:35
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You are only quoting the first half of the sentence. That is injustice to yourself because you are now convincing yourself that your friend "may" be guided. But look at the BIGGER picture! Shaytan works in many ways.

You are compromising your Deen!

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:38
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Look at the bigger picture, thousands of muslims brothers who were to destined towards jahannam are coming towards hidayah and going to jannah. So surely shaythan will not like it.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:59
Isn't that what people say about Dr. Zakir Naik?
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:03
Bhai Ahmad, you are not responsible to bring thousands upon Deen through a forbidden act... But you are responsible for every of your actions done contrary to Shariah! There are ppl shaving their beards for dawah purposes, is that correct?

I'm running out of ideas to illustrate, that your concept goes against the spirit of Shariah and also the spirit of Dawah!
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:16
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Allaah said:

وَدُّوا لَوْ تُدْهِنُ فَيُدْهِنُونَ

They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so they (too) would compromise with you. (Al-Qalam, ayah 9)

Imam Ibn Katheer (rahimahullaah Ta’aala) said about this ayah that it means: “They want you to be quiet about their gods and abandon the truth you are upon.”

[The disbelievers and Ahlul-Bid'ah wish that those relaying the truth and forbidding falsehood cease doing so.] And this is exactly what happens to the ‘ulemma of Ahlus-Sunnah, specifically, and on another level the students and the du’aat (callers).

In regards to the callers dealing with other Muslims, it means [Ahlul-Bid'ah desiring] abandoning talking about their [Ahlul-Bid'ah's] deviation, abandoning talking about their extremism, abandoning talking about their heresies, abandoning talking about their misguidance, or not saying the truth.

Shaikh Saalih al-Fawzaan (hafidhahullaah Ta’aala) said in his tafseer of this ayah:

لَوْ تُدْهِنُ

They wish that you should compromise with them : This is al-Mudahana, and it is to renounce or compromise something from the Religion to please those people [kufaar or Ahlul-Bid'ah], renouncing or giving up something from the Religion to please those people.

- This means [that people of kufr desire that] Ahlul-Islaam making Mudahana with Ahlul-Kufaar

- (Or) coming down a notch, this means [that people of bid'ah desire that] Ahlus-Sunnah making Mudahana with Ahlul-Bid’ah

- (Or) it could also be the people of Islaam with both the kufaar and Ahlul-Bid’ah

Shaikh Fawzaan said: [Allaah said:]

وَدُّوا لَوْ تُدْهِنُ فَيُدْهِنُونَ

They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so they (too) would compromise with you. (Al-Qalam, ayah 9)

The Kufaar would like you to compromise, for if you were to incline just a little bit, you would give them what [they] want. So you would compromise with them, and them with you.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:18
ادْعُ إِلَى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ

Invite (mankind, O Muhammad) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islaam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur`an) and fair preaching… (An-Nahl, ayah 125)
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:20
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Imam al-Qurtubi (rahimahullaah Ta’aala) said: “The difference between Mudara and Mudahana is that Mudara is to surrender the dunya for the benefit of the Deen, and it is permissible and even recommended. And Mudahana is leaving the Deen (or something of the Deen) for the dunya.”

Imam Ibnul-Qayyim (rahimahullaah Ta’aala) said: “Therefore Mudara is praiseworthy, and Mudahana is censured. So there is a difference between the two. The one who is Mudari uses kindness with a person in order for the truth to manifest from the person or make him retract from falsehood.

The Mudahana (the flaterrer and comprimiser) uses kindness in order for the person to remain established upon falsehood and leaves him upon his desires. Mudara is for the people of Eeman, while Mudahana is for the hypocrites.“


Please note, I am not labelling anyone at all. Just passing information from known sources
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:39
Will you shave your beard?
will you bow before an idol?
quran?
hadeeth?

All for a concern for a person from one incident of bidah.

But Imaan of millions of muslims can be compromised!

Subhanallah!!
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:42
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Exactly brother, SubhanAllah!
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