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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2014 15:42

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*cough* I would like to re-do the favor right now *cough* lol

Edit: Jazak'Allah khayran Hazrat. Please keep me in your du'as... Now back to the topic...

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2014 15:51

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You will know it when you are in this situation. And when the person in question is near and dear to you.

I already mentioned that this near and dear person WAS my FATHER. AKA Dad.

I would never wish or say to my dad (father) to go to hell. So I was blunt with him!!!!!!

Maybe you didn't read the second half of the "sermon" :)

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2014 17:06

Assalamu alaykum

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2014 17:14

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Personally I think this approach across the globe was to do with non Muslim. When we are dealing with Muslims, I don't think a softie approach is the right method.

I'm not correct, nor are you incorrect, but to accept an innovation to prove a point is incorrect.

Wallahu alum.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2014 17:20

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Our reformers didn't think the way you think. And may be you can consult some aged muslims and get a picture of muslim society some 60 years back.

And secondly you think that non muslims should not go to hell, but muslims can lose imaan and go to hell.

And my actions are not for validating or accepting a bidah, it is a half truth like actions to trick the friend for good relation.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2014 17:22

You are taking my words out of context.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2014 18:55

Apologies for going off topic in the other thread. I thought it was this one and continued to reply according to the posts by brother ahamad and even if it's not entirely this thread, this is a perfect place for it I hope. (Dynamic ijtehad)

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This is completely not what I'm saying.

History will only ever show that wisdom is used. There will not be any incident from the Salaf where you can say they adopted a biddah to guide their loved ones.

If you believe there is even an iota of such, please provide evidence.

Here you are knowingly practicing upon a biddah to keep your friends happy, even though your intentions aren't biddah. Your friends maybe guided eventually, but the sin of biddah is still on your head as you are not doing it for the sake of Allah, instead you are doing it for the sake of your friend to get to Allah. This in my lowly opinion is devil's deception and playing the devil's advocate!

(maybe the moderator can split and merge topics later as I myself am completely tied up and only on mobile)

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2014 19:10

Please only post relevant issues to the current topic, otherwise please start a new topic. Jazakumullah

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If my act of placing a chaadar (a flower sheet which covers the whole grave) on grave of a wali helps in hidayah of just ONE person, I shall do it. I won't bother about arm chair executives calling me mushrik or a kaafir.

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[quote]Your friends maybe guided eventually

Rest leave it me and My Master, the almighty.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 11:32

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if there is any precedence in this behaviour from the salaf, madhab, ulama, then please post it. if there isnt then this is the same thing that we accuse the salafis of doing. except that this is advocating doing an act that is haram/bidah. the salafis are on the other side of the spectrum and do their own ijtihad to try and eradicate haram/bidah

there are many people who have moved away from the established deen due to various reasons. we call them deviants at best. if there is no precedence in this in the deen, then it is nothing but deviance. if there is some sort of precedence then does that allow just anyone to make their ijtihad?

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 12:32

Yes it happens all the time. New times, new rulings. For example the fuqaha were unanimous that pictures of animate objects are haraam. Our akabireen who lived for many decades during proliferation of digital pictures also unanimously gave same fatwa. Mufti Taqi was the first one to rule differently and now majority of ulama follow him with increasing number allowing photographs as well based on new circumstances and new needs. Reputable organizations such as Ummah Welfare Trust run by hundreds of ulama are making very good use of photography in their leaflets.

Another example is issue of women going out to masjids. The unanimous ruling has always been since the early centuries that it is impermissible due to widespread conditions - just like niqaab eventually became unanimously obligatory century based on conditions. However, even though conditions have become far far worse, the ulama today are allowing women to go to masjids and some have also started to say that niqaab is not so necessary. New circumstances, new rulings.

Our akabireen had also said unanimously that Meelad un nabi, though originally permissible, is completely bidah because of widespread conditions. But even though those conditions have become far far worse, more and more ulama are allowing meelad, sometimes also called seerat un nabi to avoid controversy, in order to attract the awaam of the streets and into Islamic environment. Similar reasoning is used by ulama today allowing gatherings on auspicious nights such as laylatul qadr and shab-e-baraat. These were all regarded as bidah by the akabireen. So clear examples of bidah changing rulings based on new times and needs.

Then there's fiqh aqilliyat which is fiqh of minorities which is now being mentioned as required by reputable ulama such as Shaykh Taha Karaan. This fiqh allows change of rulings in societies were Muslims are a minority.

There are many many examples of rulings changing due to new times. And if you go outside the closed circle of deoband, you will find the other ulama of the world are much much more adept at changing rulings based on new circumstances and times.

Either move with the times, or remain a bigoted, narrow-minded, orthodox relic of the past.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 12:32

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What do you mean? Do you have some sort of special relationship to Allah, which frees you from the commandments of Shariah? Where can I subscribe to that?

@Guest: All these were derived by research scholars after applying traditional set of principles. These examples should not be abused by laymen to mould the rulings of Shariah, when ever they feel there is a reason for it. Do you think any reliable scholar would ever give a Fatwa in favor of what brother sharif is advocating?

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 12:44

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which alim has said it is no longer haram/bidah to place a covering on a grave?

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 13:13

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Assalaamu 'Alaykum

In another thread I read you addressing "fatwa giving people" rather condescendingly

It seems you too have fallen into a far more dangerous ideology of "dynamic ijtihad" which you have developed in your own mind.

This is far worse then ghayr muqallidiyat as every person will now overlook and condone the bidah and shirk of his "near and dear" one based on this bid'ah of "dynamic ijtihad".

Was-salam

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