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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 30th August 2014 20:24

السّلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

 
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Yesterday at the ‘Freedom of Speech’ event in Birmingham, I shared something with the audience which I had not mentioned to anyone up to now! 

Some months ago, a revert Muslim brother contacted me... He said that before embracing Islam, he was approached and recruited by ‘certain authorities’ to create hostility, discord, disunity and hatred amongst British Muslims. He was meticulously trained to become an expert in inter-Muslim polemics. He mingled with the various Muslims groups in order to create strife and debates. He would regularly visit Mosques, Islamic Institutions, and even internet forums to exacerbate the already divided Muslims. For some months, he would act as a Sunni, expressing hatred for the Shi’a; then a Shi’a spreading hatred for Sunnis; then a Salafi, condemning Hanafis and Sufis; then a Sufi, bashing Salafis/wahhabis, etc… He even posed as a Deobandi for three months and called Barelwis Mushriks and grave-worshippers, and then a Barelwi calling the Deobandis as non-believers. This was his job, and he was paid handsomely for his effort! Al-hamdulliah, he was able to leave this job, and then embraced Islam.

Subhan Allah, if this does not open our eyes, then I don’t know what will?! Those who hate Islam will do whatever they can to bring Muslims down and make them fight each other. Indeed, we have our differences, but this is not the time to dwell upon them, resulting in personal hatred. One has to only look at the various internet forums and see how Muslims from various backgrounds spend hours arguing and indulging in futile debate. We must learn to agree-to-disagree, and work together for a common cause. May Allah bring our hearts together and grant us tawfiq, Ameen.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 30th August 2014 20:24
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 30th August 2014 20:37
This eery method of infiltration has been happening for the past 10yrs if not more...this was when I first heard of non-muslim men speaking fluent Arabic imitating Muslims, they looked and spoke liked arab scholars, and were well versed and educated in Quran and hadith....these men were Arab looking, had sharee beards, dress etc, and very very well educated in all Islamic aspects of shariah, but were NOT muslim.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 30th August 2014 21:02
SubhanAllah, they plan and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 30th August 2014 21:13
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So true, we are more aware and more practising then before, we still pray salah, keep roza, etc etc...they can attempt to break the spirit of Islam, but only our own actions and intentions will destroy our deen, nobody can take away our deen from us, no matter what conspiracy or plan...

They plan and Allah plans...Alhumdulillah.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 31st August 2014 10:06
As-salam-u-'Alaykum, can anyone, refer to a good read, to identity such munafiqeen. Either in English or Urdu. Jazakumullahu khairan.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 31st August 2014 11:15
Assalamu alaykum

This is really shocking. And this is happening in politics too.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2014 05:28
That was an eye opener.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2014 10:11
There really isn't anything shocking to this news. It's been mentioned here many times before by abu m and M_K.

Its old school stuff.

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Agent provocateurs in mosques
22nd Feb 2013
Sir, It is shocking. British, American and Danish intelligence agencies jointly using undercover agents to infiltrate mosques and indoctrinating young Muslims with extremist ideas. Even though you have published one example, I am quite sure there are many such agent provocateurs around the country targeting vulnerable young Muslims. The police and Government then blame mosques and Islam on radicalising young Muslims. Muslim leaders should demand that this should stop immediately. I am not asking that the intelligence service to stop surveillance of suspected terrorists but I am against sending spies into mosques and then create extremists.[/quote]

[quote]How to Identify an Agent Provocateur
As governments around the world, including our own, face more and more popular resistance, we’re witnessing a revival of the use of agent provocateurs. An agent provocateur is the well-used tactic of using undercover military or police to join a dissenting group or protest in order to provoke others in the group to carry out illegal actions and violence. The goal is to discredit the group from the inside. Sometimes the group gets discredited with those outside. Other times the group is enticed into internal divisions and collapses.

The most recent and clumsy attempt was the Egyptian government’s use of plain-clothes police officers to incite violence amid the largely peaceful anti-Mubarak protests. They tried to resemble the genuine protesters at first, but then the Mubarak agents showed their true colors. They rode horses and camels, carrying weapons and throwing fire bombs. Even the international media wasn’t fooled. For the first time, mainstream media started using the language of agent provocateurs.

In decades past in the U.S., the FBI was exposed for using agent provocateurs to pose as members of right wing groups and the Black Panthers. This was the infamous COINTELPRO program that operated from the 1950s into the 1970s. It was thought to have been shut down in the early 1970s, but another version of it came to light during the Reagan years.

Italian police were caught using agent provocateurs during the G8 financial meeting in 2001, and the British police did the same during the 2009 G20 meetings in London. In 2007, a Canadian police force in Quebec first denied and then admitted it used disguised officers during a protest of a Security and Prosperity Partnership meeting. The police denied that the disguised officers were inciting violence, though they were carrying rocks.

New York City police officers were accused of using agent provocateurs during the 2004 Republican National Convention, and the Denver police were discovered using undercover detectives during the 2008 Democratic National Convention. In this case, police officers ended up using riot-control chemicals against their own officers. In recent years, the FBI has used a growing number of agent provocateurs to infiltrate Muslim communities in the U.S., the most notable being exposed agent Craig Monteith in Orange County, California. He said he had been paid between $2500 and $11,000 a month to help radicalize Muslims.

As the paranoia common to governments grows, the question arises: will your group or church or political action committee be targeted with agent provocateurs at some point? Why not? The targets have been quite various, with government certainly not always focused on so-called radicals. At the same time, governments’ definitions of what groups are risky can change quickly and silently. It certainly wouldn’t be advertized. Many groups haven’t discovered their agent provocateurs until years after their activity.

Would you be able to spot an agent provocateur? They try to blend in and make friends. They appear to share your interests.
Drawing from several sources, experienced observers have suggested some tips for identifying such agents. They’re not foolproof, but they’re a start.

Agents will often lack background connections or references. No one in your circles or related groups will know them.

Agents try to keep discussions and action unproductive and still. They’ll spend plenty of time debating issues, with little action.

They focus on ideas over people.

They tend to create messes in groups and between group members.

They leave chaos in their wake.

They tend to gravitate toward people in the group who are dissatisfied. Once relationships with those folks grow, the dissatisfaction spreads.

Some agents have been former prisoners who do this work as part of a deal. These folks tend to jump from organization to organization in a relatively short time.

Agents don’t have known sources of income. They might have a job that doesn’t match their spending or claim their money comes from prior savings.

They tend to provide gifts for key figures at first. This helps them build trust with the group.
When confronted, they will get defensive and start making their own accusations.

They act like zealots, but they don’t have the fruit of it. They have passion but don’t truly care.
Of course, good but immature people can do all these things. Discernment involves sound judgment calls. Protection from agent provocateurs increases as your group matures. If your group has rich relationships and trust, you won’t as easily fall prey to cheap provocateurs.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2014 10:24
I posted verses of the Quran to be on the safe side. Our duty would be to investigate things before we made conclusions. So, for all we know, the news from this thread here could also have been the work of Agent Provocateurs!
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2014 07:00
From a Darul Uloom Deoband's graduate I heard even worse report which occurred in Deoband. Another Mufti sahab once told us that a prominent teacher of Deoband would address all the students and say something like this "I know who among you are agents. I don't understand what do you want to achieve from it."
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2014 09:31
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This story herefrom Darul Uloom Deoband goes back to 1875!

We've had spies trying to infiltrate the Muslims from the very beginning.
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