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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 14:06

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Isnt that the same as saying "This site has a Dr Naik Video on it, AVOID IT" Or "Maulana Maudidi" Or "Tariq Jameel" Or "Taliban" Or "Tabligh" Or "Mufti AS Desai" Or "Salafi"

Some of the stuff is good, some Very good and some like one but not the other. One group makes takfeer of one and not the other. Where do we stop?

In my opinion, Take what is good and leave what is not, no need for references in ALL cases, only some.

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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 14:19

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I will come clean here. I came across his works many years ago and after reading it I found ample references regarding “Wahtadul-Wujood” so you can google and find my writings about it where I am telling people to take the good and leave the bad.

Then about 2 years ago I came across authentic evidence of:

Drug abuse
Zina
Womenising
Open Fisq and Fujoor

This guy is not in the same category as Dr Zakir Naik at all whom we disagree with but (on Academic grounds) but he doesn’t take drugs or commit zina or womanize etc

Imam Zamakhshari (RA) also doesn't fall in the same category of open Fisq/Fujoor, see here and here

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 14:25

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No, it isn't the same.

I'm talking about editors and admin and moderators and authorizers making such things available on their sites and their articles and resources; not to mention book-sellers, and others. This stuff should not be made available. No wonder the guy has lasted as long as he has! We've kept the beast alive... supply and demand.

So, should we sit in a restaurant where alcohol is served and partake in good conversation over a purely vegan meal while avoiding those consuming alcohol? Same restaurant, 2 products, our choice to enter, and our choice to order what we want. Now, if I trust the restaurant because it is 'Muslim' owned and operated, does this make it more permissible?

Personally, I don't have the strength or know-how to go looking into everything I read - that's what our scholars are there for insha'Allah, masha'Allah. As an example of my ignorance: the other day, brother London posted a link to a Turkish scholar's works and I have no clue about this person's books... I'm sure he is well known and insha'Allah writes 'good' but that is just how ignorant I am. The sad fact is that: I (and I know of others who share similar feelings) find it very difficult to approach anything about the deen without feeling cautious and skeptical - "is this authentic? Is it true? How do I know?". This is what we are facing - a huge number of us simply don't know and knowledge is power so some have figured out how to manipulate that to their advantage.

The same applies to MS... if I feel it is something that will hurt me, insha'Allah I will avoid it but not in a passive-aggressive way. Alhamdulillah, I've said what needs to be said and insha'Allah change will follow. Otherwise, for me personally, I learn a lot through reading what others post but my mind is too impressionable and I am well aware of that so best to avoid.

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 14:27

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Sounds like you have some editing work on your hands insha'Allah brother.

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 14:51

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I wasn't aware of such things. I guess I'm walking right behind you, picking things up and learning about them as I go along.

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 14:55

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Jazakallah, Well now that Muadh has pointed out other stuff too, as of now, I will not use him as a source knowingly. However, I don't know which articles are his and which are not. Those that I do know of or will find out, I will InshaAllah, either remove the link or the post entirely, depending on what it is.

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 15:00

Sister acacia. I can understand how you feel.
Mail me the links you want to inquire about. Il try to help. Its difficult to get to know whether somethin is authwntic or not. But il try. I did manage to gather a few authentic sources after searchin and searchin.someone told me to ask from banuri.edu.pk
But thats an urdu website.. il try to do the work for you Insha Allah..

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 15:08

33 reps Awarded for that post?

Call me a pessimist, but whoever gave 33 reps, are they followers of Adnan himself?

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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 15:16

JazakAllah khayran sister muslim11, I appreciate your care and willingness to help. Just to clarify, alhamdulillah, I am not at all concerned as to whether or not any source from HY is authentic, a little authentic, very authentic, or not at all authentic. Alhamdulillah, I have not read HY books nor do I intend to. Alhamdulillah, I have no doubt about HY. It is the sites that I've relied on and trusted that link to HY or quote HY that are a cause for concern for me personally because, I figure: "if they can use something like HY then what else might they use that could be harmful to me, that I may have no clue about?" And, if I am in a position to write an article or in a position of some 'authority' then I don't want to be held responsible for furthering such deviations. I can't speak about others but I can about HY and so, alhamdulillah, I must.

Insha'Allah, if I decide to obtain a fatwa, I will write to a few muftain (is that correct?) including the one you provided and including (especially) Mufti A.S. Desai, rather than just one. Insha'Allah that would be acceptable right? Insha'Allah it will not be bad-adab - if so, please correct me. JazakAllah khayran.

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 15:22

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Not enough eh? Perhaps 33 was chosen for being an odd number. I highly doubt (am quite certain about it actually) they are not Adnanites. Perhaps a du'aa for us all:

May Allah Ta'aala give us characteristics as those stated in the 'positive characteristics' of the link, and better; and, may He accept our efforts and remove all 'negative characteristics' (not just those listed in the link). Ameen.

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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 15:25

@sister acacia.
No i wasnt talkin about HY.
Generally about websites we sometimes dont k.ow whether thats authentic or not.. so i was talking about that.

I prefer asking to only one mufti.. and then sticking to the answer..otherwise it will confuse the mind..

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 15:30

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JazakAllah khayran sister. I haven't actually asked (other than SF) so I wasn't sure. In terms of personal things, I does make sense (very wise) to ask just one; but, for cases like these where feelings are more widespread and the impact is greater, isn't it better to have as many 'well-founded opinions' on hand to present to the site we hope effects change?

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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 15:39

Let me be clear.

1. You want to know whether www.xyz.comis authentic or not?
You ask from maulana ( for e.g ibrahim )Sahab only.

2. You read something on www.yul.com and you thought its incorrect. You ask from maulana Tahir sahab ( for e.g) its okay. He said the thing is correct.

3. You read something, asked whether thats corect or not. Maulana Ibrahim said its incorrect.
You ask from maulana Tahir Sahab. He said thats incorrect.
You ask from askmufti.co.za they say its incorrect. This is okay.

P.s thats just my personal opinion from my experience.

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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 15:39

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MashaAllah, The Prophet and Allah preferred Odd numbers too (don't take me wrong).

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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 27th June 2014 15:44

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What if the reps were given by more than one person?

Sister Acacia has said "Perhaps 33 was chosen for being an odd number"

Khair, Who gave what is down to me and the giver :)

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