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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:30

Brother Abu Mohammed and Muadh, kindly visit www.muftisays.com/blog/Akaabir/3708_13-06-2014/a-shocking...

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:40

Jazakallah for that brother. Appreciate it.

Did you know that SO MANY companies use ALCOHOL in their HALAL products, yet they are not HARAM!

As Mufti Saeed Ahmed Palanpuri would say, "Baal ki khaal nikalna"

You and others can dig deep deep deep but you're only going the wrong way. In fact, EVERYTHING should be Haram. What would you do.

Pakistan for example, where you are from. Tell me whats Halal there apart from the animals you slaughter there and the vegetables you grow?

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:43

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Jzk for bringing this to my attention, let me read our dear Brother Deoband Saheb (HA)'s blog and then retract if I have stated something incorrectly.

Jazakallahu Khayran.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:50

Ethyl alcohol is naturally present in fruit and vegetables. During the fermentation that takes place when fruit and vegetables ripen, ethyl alcohol is produced in certain amounts as by-products. Naturally formed ethyl alcohol is present in most of the natural aromas that are used in food and drink industry. In the whole world, it is regarded as natural in food regulations that ethyl alcohol exists in certain amounts.

So the question is what type of ETHYL ALCOHOL does it contain?

I had called up the nestle chocolate costumer survice to ask whether their chocolates smarties& others contain any animal ingredients or alcohol.they said that in artifcial flavours there is corn based ethyl alcohol but its evoparated ....All nestle chocolates contains the same..can we have these chocolates.Also what about vanilla.I have heard that it too contains ethyl alcohol.can we add vanilla essence while preparing cookies.can we have vanilla ice cream?

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If chocolates and vanilla essence contain corn based ethyl alcohol, then it is Halaal.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:51

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It was just announced in the States that soda products like 7UP, etc. have been processed through conditions where ethanol is used as a solvent. Please visit www.muslimconsumergroup.com/Events.do?menu=Events&eventAc... and view the haram declaration by a qualified Muslim food scientist with nearly 30 years of experience in the US food industry. I have read in a fatwa by Mufti Ebrahim Desai that ethanol is very minute quantities is permissible but I also recall the hadith in which it is mentioned that grain alcohol (eg ethanol) is haraam in even the minutest quantities and that the low potential for intoxication due to minutest quantity is not the criteria for haraam for grain alcohol. Kindly guide us further and may Allah give you the jaza al khair for your continued assistance to this ummah. Aameen and wassalam...

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In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

If the alcohol in the soft drink is made from grapes or dates, it will not be permissible to consume the soft drink. On the other hand, if the alcohol in the soft drink is made from anything other than grapes and dates, it will be permissible to consume the soft drink.

(Ahsanul Fataawa: vol. 8 pg. 488, Saeed)

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:52

Assalamualaykum

Is it possible to use products that contain alcohol ? Products such as Johnson baby lotion, hand-wash washing liquid, perfume, make up etc.

In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.

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If the alcohol used in creams, perfumes and deodorants are extracted from sources such as grapes or dates, then it will not be permissible to use. Other than that, as is in most cases chemical alcohol is used, such products would be permissible to use. However piety is that even those are avoided. (Fatawa Haqqaniyyah p.199 v.5)

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:52

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Honestly, I don't know, I actually look at ifanca or sanha labels, or conduct some research(rarely) if doubts or abstain Alhamdulillah. But I recently got to know about the Majlis site, after I joined this forum, and according to what I read I am confused about these soft drinks, I had read about them being halaal, but Mufti A S Desai's arguments are.weighty, and those Ulema who say soft drinks are halaal, acknowledge Mufti A S Desai's seniority.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:53

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JazakAllahu khairan.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:53

Do you see the link brother?

If Coke and Pepsi is made from GRAPES or DATES and the Alcohol is produced from these, then it would be Haram.

Is it made from Dates or Grapes?

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:56

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I don't exactly know, but those Ulema who say it's halaal, then they must have considered this.

Only Allah Ta'ala knows.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 16:57

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Hence it a precautionary view to abstain. insha'Allah will do.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 17:01

Alcohol based Perfumes, Deodrants and Creams

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Date Posted: 04-03-2004

I was wondering if alcohol in detergents and creams etc. is permissible to use.
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In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

In principle, it should be remembered that, alcohol extracted from grapes, dates and barley is decisively unlawful (haram), both its oral intake as well as application, for it is considered to be impure (najis). This type of alcohol is known as Khamr (wine), and it will be unlawful to even consume one drop of such alcohol according to all the classical scholars.

Allah Most High says:

"O you who believe! Alcohol (khamr), gambling, dedication of stones, and divination by arrows are an abomination (impure) of Shaytan's handiwork. So abstain from such (abomination) that you may prosper." (al-An'am, 90)

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: "Khamr (wine) is from these two trees, dates and grapes." (Sahih Muslim, no. 1985)

However, if the alcohol is extracted and derived from other than grapes, dates and barley, then there is a difference of opinion between the scholars with regards to its ruling. Imam Abu Hanifa & Imam Abu Yusuf (Allah have mercy on them both) from the Hanafi school are of the view that it will be permissible to consume such alcohol for medication purposes or to gain energy (and not for pleasure and enjoyment) as long as it does not intoxicate.

They base their view on the Hadith narrated by Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) stated above. Also, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace is reported to have said: "Khamr (derived from grapes, dates and barley) is in itself unlawful (and impure), and also all the other beverages that reach the level of intoxication." (See: al-Zayla'i, Nasb al-Raya, 4/306)

However, the other three schools of thought, i.e. Shafi'i, Maliki and Hanbali and also Imam Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Shaybani (Allah have mercy on him) from the Hanafi school are of the view that all types of beverages are prohibited whether less or more, and whether consumed to the level of intoxication or otherwise. They base their argument on the following two Hadiths:

Sayyiduna Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: "Every intoxicant is Khamr and every intoxicant is Unlawful (haram)..." (Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, No. 3671, Sunan Timidhi and others)

Sayyiduna Jabir ibn Abd Allah (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: "Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, then a small quantity of it is also forbidden." (Sunan Abu Dawud, no. 3673, Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Sunan al-Nasa'i and others)

Thus, according two these scholars, all forms of alcohol beverages will be considered unlawful (haram) and impure (najis). Once it is established that a given beverage intoxicates, it will be unlawful to consume even a small serving of that beverage.

The late Hanafi scholars also gave Fatwa on this position of the student of Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Muhammad ibn al-Hasan due to widespread Fitna.

Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him) states:

"Imam Muhammad considered the various beverages, such as those made from honey, fig, etc to be categorically unlawful (haram), whether it is less in quantity or more, and the Fatwa is given on his position."

Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) explains the above:

"Fatwa is given on the view of Imam Muhammad and this is also the position held by the other three Imams (i.e. Shafi'i, Malik & Ahmad), due to the Hadith "Every intoxicant is Khamr and every intoxicant is unlawful (haram)" (recorded by Imam Muslim), and also the Hadith: "Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, then a small quantity of it is also forbidden" (recorded by Ahmad, Ibn Majah & al-Darqutni and he classed it as authentic.....The (hanafi) scholars have stated that the Fatwa of prohibition given in our times is due to widespread Fitna....meaning, due to the fact that most people now consume these beverages for the purpose of pleasure and not to gain strength for worship, they have been forbidden altogether." (Radd al-Muhtar ala al-Durr al-Mukhtar, 6/454-455)

The upshot of all of the foregoing is that, now all the four Sunni schools of Islamic law are unanimous on the fact that all types of alcohols and beverages are unlawful (haram) and impure (najis), even in small quantities. Any beverage that intoxicates in a large amount, even a drop of it will be considered unlawful (haram).

However, due to the initial difference of opinion regarding alcohol and given that Imam Abu Hanifa (Allah have mercy on him) himself is of the view that alcohol from other than grapes, dates, and barley is not forbidden if consumed for gaining strength, contemporary scholars have ruled that the prevalent perfumes, deodorants and creams may be used, for normally the alcohol used in them is from other than grapes, dates and barley (or synthetic alcohol), and these types of alcohols will be although unlawful (haram) to consume, but not impure for external application. In other words, the view of Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Abu Yusuf (Allah have mercy on them both) may be used for external application of these alcohols but not for oral intake.

In our times, because of the widespread use of alcohol in all sorts of things, it has become very difficult to avoid it. This is why great Hanafi scholars of our times have given the abovementioned fatwa, in that the external use of this type of alcohol is not Haram. However, its oral intake is still impermissible except in cases of necessary medication.

Shaykh Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani (may Allah preserve him) states in his monumental Arabic work Takmila Fath al-Mulhim:

"With the above (explanation given by Shaykh Taqi on the different types of alcohol), the ruling with regards to the various types of alcohol, the usage of which has become widespread and they are used in many medicines and perfumes, becomes known, in that if the alcohol is extracted from grapes or dates, then there is no question of it being permissible or pure. However, if the alcohol is derived from other than grapes or dates, then there is no problem according to the view of Imam Abu Hanifa, in that it will not be unlawful to use such alcohol (m, and perfumes and medicines made thereof) for medical or other lawful purposes as long as the alcohol does not reach the level of intoxication.... And normally the alcohol used in medicines, perfumes, etc is not extracted from grapes and dates, rather it is derived from seeds, honey, chemicals, petrol, etc. (Takmila Fath al-Mulhim Sharh Sahih Muslim, 3/608)

To summarise, it would be permitted to use the various types of perfumes, deodorants and creams that contain alcohol due to the fact that the alcohol contained in them is from other than grapes, dates and barley or it is a synthetic alcohol (formulated from chemical substances) and not the khamr (wine) that is absolutely impermissible and filthy.

However, it is more religiously precautionary to avoid using such perfumes and deodorants, whenever reasonably possible, because of the differences of opinion regarding it.

But it should be remembered that, occasionally certain deodorants, perfumes, etc contain alcohol that is derived from grapes, dates, etc, such as synthetic ethyl alcohol, thus making the perfume or cream impure and unlawful to use.

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That is a safe approach, no doubt.

Calling someone a faasiq is not taken easily. Almost every Muslim in the world, including almost every Imam and Mufti in the world drink these

If and I repeat IF, they are made from Grapes or dates, then I would most definitely change my position.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 17:08

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The Majlis site is awesome, MashaAllah. But there are things published in there that you will never be able to follow. Brothers have given examples before.

One of them is that Forums are Gheebah!

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2014 17:16

In our times, because of the widespread use of alcohol in all sorts of things, it has become very difficult to avoid it. This is why great Hanafi scholars of our times have given the abovementioned fatwa, in that the external use of this type of alcohol is not Haram. However, its oral intake is still impermissible except in cases of necessary medication.
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Notice the above extract from the fatwa. Ask yourself why do you consume these drinks? For medication or for the satisfaction of the nafs and your tastebuds. This would decide for you.Another factor is when you see weight in mufti a.s desai's arguments and your heart tells you it is the correct way then why look for loopholes. Leave it for the sake of Allah. There is a hadith that "sin is what moves your conscience".

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Calling someone a faasiq is not taken easily. Almost every Muslim in the world, including almost every Imam and Mufti in the world drink these
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Who called anyone a faasiq here?

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