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#91 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:09
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This discussion would be on equal grounds if the advocators of following the salf e saliheen develop the same level of ibadaat that the salf e saliheen they reached.

It is narrated about Imam Abu Yusuf ra that he used to pray 200 rakaat nafl daily at night.

Imam Abu Hanifa ra prayed fajr with isha wudhu for 40 years. He finished 60 Quraan in ramdhan. Come to their unmatched level of taqwa.

Taqwa vs fatwa notion is not suited for the one who advocates the salf e saliheen. Taqwa was necessarily adopted by the salf e saliheen with leeway in fatwa not an option.
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#92 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:13

Claim: Shaykh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) has stated that fairness and Justice should be upheld even in matters of complain.

Test: If someone disagrees with a Shaykh/Maulana/Mufti/Hazrat and all limits of decency is crossed in anger/hatred and Shariah is tarnished then this is NOT love of the Shaykh but bigotry and sin and blameworthy.

If Shariah is adhered to and defense of the Shaykh/Maulana/Mufti/Hazrat is done then this is praiseworthy.

Application: Judge for yourselves if majority of the people are loving or "Hazrat worshipping"

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It is a known principle in Shariah that you advise people on Fatwa and you don't start advising people to adhere to individual acts of worship of even Imam Al-Adham Abu Haneefa (RA) i.e. you can give Dawah to pray 5 times daily, Sunnah, Tahajjud but you can't give Dawah towards 1000 Rakaats etc.

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#93 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:18
@ Colonel saheb..

Masha Allah.. A very good discussion colonel saheb and very interesting too..

Lets begin with the excerpt from Dukaan e Ishq:

Allah سبحانه وتعالى says :

He is the One who raised amidst the unlettered people a messenger from among themselves who recites to them His verses, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and the wisdom.


(Surah: Jumu'ah:2: Translation- Hazrat Mufti Taqi Uthmani sb db)



This Ayah explains the three objectives of Apostleship of Nabi kareem :

The first objective of Apostleship:

Recitation of the Qur'an- the implication of which is dawat e Ilallah (calling people towards Allah ). Since the conduct of Nabi kareem was to recite the Qur'an and give dawah, and this dawah was given selflessly among the dispassionates.


The second objective of Apostleship:

Taleem Kitab wa Hikmah - Teaching Kitab and Hikmah to those who have evolved passion for deen.


The Third objective of Apostleship:

Tazkiyah Nafs - to purify & cleanse the Zahiri and Batini aspects of Nufoos..

These three obligations of Nubuwwah are also binding upon the ummah as Kifayah, such that in every passing era the Akabir of ummah expended their salutary efforts & absorption in discharging all the three obligations."

Hazrat Maulana Syed Sulaiman Nadwi رحمة الله عليه writes in the foreword of " Maulana Muhammed Ilyasرحمة الله عليه and his deeni Dawah" that

" Rasulullah (saw) conducted these three obligations with sublime beauty & totality. He recited to them Ayahs of the Rabb and addressed the people commandments of the Almighty... and taught them words of divine Hikmah and kitab e Ilahi.

He did not stop short at this.. but with his suhbah (company), effect of Faidh and strategic nuances.. cleansed and purified them as well. He made Tazkiyah of Nufus..treated the (inward) diseases of the heart.. and effacing away the rust of sins and vileness.. polished the virtues of humanity.

Both these Zahiri (outward) and Batini (inward) obligations were carried out with equal emphasis. such that up till the Sahaba followed by Taba'een then Taba' Taba'een, the dual charge of Zahiri and Batini tasks remained committed to by the three generations in continuum.

The Ustad was also the Shaikh and the Shaikh was also the Ustad. Those who radiated the seats of dars were also the ones who were vigilant in the nights of seclusion. They were also responsible for the Tazkiyah and Tasfiyah of their companions. In all the three generations there wasn't a visible difference between a Shaikh and a Ustad.

The divergence of Ta'leem and Tazkiyah


Thereafter an era dawned when the seats of dars e Zahir turned empty of Batin and the illuminated hearts of Ahl e Batin were devoid of Zahir.. and with passing of time the gulf between Zahir and Batin also widened.

Ultimately the uloom of Zahir were bound by the walls of Madrassah.. and Taleem, Tazkiyah Batin were confined by building Khanqah's and hospices. And the Masjid Nabawi (saw) where these two lived in unison, now manifested itself separately as Madrassa and Khanqah. The aftermath it bore was that Ulema from Madaris passed out more as Ulema e duniya than Ulema e Deen, and the claimants of Batin remained ignorant towards the subtleties and excellence of Shar'iah.

END of excerpt


Now lets address the issue..

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Claim: I am claiming referring to Ulama, seeking their company and benefitting from them and making Mushwara is Tazkiyah and since it is my claim I will be happy to provide evidence for it as per the guidelines of Shariah.."


By Ulema if u mean a Muslih Alim.. who had his Tazkiyyah done under someone.. then who can object..
And if u mean an Alim who "Knows" about Tazikiyah.. but has never undergone himself.. then he is like the person who knows about Akhlaaq but does not Keep it..

Ilm itself can bring in Takabbur ..

Azazeel (iblees) was a Mudarris of Malaika.. but his Ilm could not identify the Kibr dwelling in him which led to his doom.. it did not save his day.. (Arif Billah Hazrat Maulana Hakeem Muhammed Akhtar sahab رحمة الله عليه has given an excellentt talk on this, shall post if i find إن شاء الله )

I was in the company of Hazrat Maulana Abu Bakr Tayyibi sahab db ( former Ustad of Hadees at Madrassa Saulatiya for 8 yrs and also ustad of Hazrat Maulana saad sahab db, a great daee of Tabligh and someone very close to me, He is also a Shaikh of Tasawwuf. )

He was giving the dars of Risala Qushayriya to the ulema around him.. I asked him Maulana why no Fazail e amal for them.. he replied

"Beta (son) Fazail e amal is for the awam who heed to our advice.. these people received Arshi Uloom as a result of which kibr enters them quite easily.. and the moment they are out of Madrassa, begin to float 1 foot above the ground.. so I have to hammer them with this book to bring them down.."

"Knowing " and "keeping" are both distinct entities as explained very nicely here..

And the earliest evidence for a Shaikh - Mureed relationship we find is Hazrat Abdullah Bin Mas'ud رضي الله عنه accepting the Tauba of Zazaan the musician who stayed in his company and benefitted from him..

And the Need for a Shaikh whether Mubaah/ desirable.. could be best understood by a person in need of a doctor for his physical ailment.. as the one diseased of the heart is more in trouble as he could take his (Batini) ailment to the grave.. & Tazkiyah there is rather painful..

duas..

wa Assalam..
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#94 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:24
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question is bro muadh tell me how I'm practically supposed to go for islaah. I have given you my 2 cents. I have said either find a kamil shaykh or go in tabligh preferably both. Now you have said mashwara with scholars. So shall I do mashwara with my local imam who reads from a salafi version of riyadh us saliheen and knows hardly anything about islaah? Is that what you are proposing? Should I go to the local nadwi graduate who knows squat about islaah? This is what you are proposing no?
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#95 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:29
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agree with you that for an ordinary person it is a good way but will he reach that awareness of ihsaan that ALLAH SWT is watching me all the time? Suffice to say sufi iqbal rh the pen of shaykh zakariya rh penned a very beautiful detailed treatise on this. He said there are levels and the higher levels are only achieved with a shaykh. The lower levels are achieved by going in a chilla etc. At the same time he says the higher levels are not mandatory.
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#96 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:49
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Ihsan is not restricted to having a Shaykh. It can be achieved through practicing one's Salah. Otherwise in an area where there are no Shaykhs, what we're saying is that people, due to no fault of their own, are deprived of reaching the highest stages. I find it audacious of anyone who has not given a considerable time to the effort of Dawat & Tabligh & engaged in it properly to comment and say that lower levels of Ihsan are achieved in Tabligh. If we attempt to copy the actions of the Prophet, Gusht, Taleem etc. I find it difficult to accept that by doing these aamals according to usool the highest stages cannot be reached.
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#97 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:49

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First of all are Non-Deobandees people of bad Akhlaaq, all Non-Deobandi Ulama incapable of Islah? Please make your statements clear? Then we can discuss.

 

 

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#98 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:54
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blame sufi iqbal rh the pen of shaykh zakariya rh not me.
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#99 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:56
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I did not say that. Please tell me a practical way for my islaah. I want to know what you are proposing for me. Should I go to my local imam and ask him to do my islaah as this seems to be your suggestion.
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#100 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 14:56
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Even Sufi Iqbal can make a mistake as can Shaykh Zakariyya as pointed out by Mufti Husain
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#101 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 15:01
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So we dont have to follow those hadith?
Only people who pray 100 rakat tahajjud is supposed to refrain from ghuloo of ones shaykh?

Do you have any daleel that laymen have such leeway?

Kindly re read the ahadith that has been mentioned. I know its the translation, but they convey it as the basic quality of a believer. As maulana A S Desai saheb and report back if you differ.

I m seriously disappointed that people are defending the flaws of our Ummah with such excuses bro.
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#102 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 15:01

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All of this explaination makes sense when you look at the world in a very black/white Tassawuff way. When you look at the world as it stands then this explaination holds little water and let me explain why.

Neither the Islamic world nor the world at large revolves around a little town in India which had a Darul-uloom sprung up in 1866. Islamic Scholarship, its teaching and learning has carried on in four corners of the world unabated and with no reliance and dependency on deobandees. Deobandees have contributed (Masha'Allah) and positvely (Alhumdolillah) but there is no dependency of Islam on Deoandees and their Tassawuff.

The world has produced great Sunni (Non-Salafi) Ulama like Imam Shatibi (Maliki), Imam Birgivi (Hanafi) who had no formal “Muslih” in terms of Tassawuff and no Tareeqa and their students and legacy has continued to this day. Even in India (contrary to what Lndon786) is claiming and then shying away we had Shaykh (Maulana) Abdul Haq Dehalwee (RA) and in recent example Darul-uloom deoband graduates like Shaykh (Maulana) Ubaidullah Sindhi (RA) who had no formal Tareeqa/Tassawuff training! These Ulama had their Tarbiyat done by their teachers and in turn trained students so you can't say that just because they weren't in a Silsila they were devoid of Tazkiyah.

In the subcontinent we have Ameerul-Mumineen Mullah Omar (HA) again with no Tareeqa, no Tassawuff and Deobandees TRIED to thrust their Khilafat (business) on him and a well known Shaykh tried to put Dastaar on him which Mullah Omar (HA) continued to reject and it fell off his head (everybody was laughing loudly) but Shaykh (HA) gave him Khilafat (despite his insistence that he doesn’t want it) so he can then come back to Pakistan and proclaim the “victory” of his Silsila.

I am Sorry but the world doesn't revolve around this understanding of Islam.

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#103 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 15:02
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also add maulana yusuf darwan to the list and maulana fazlur rahman azmi and a host of others.
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#104 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 15:05
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Let me arrange ur words a bit. A shaikh is needed for Tazkiyah.. The goal of Tazkiyah is Ihsaan.. and Salah with Ihsaan is what we strive for..

Now Iblees prayed for thousands of years.. His worship infact brought Kibr of Piousness in him.. and we know what happened to him later..

The words of Hazrat Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi رحمة الله عليه are indeed to be written in gold..

Yak Zamana Sohbate baAuliya.. Behtar az sad saala Ta'ate be riya


"A moment spent in the company of Aulia is better than a hundred years of worship without Riya "


Explanation of Above.
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#105 [Permalink] Posted on 6th June 2014 15:09
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imam birgawi had no formal muslih? You sure about this? Shaykh obaidullah sindhi rh was a mureed of hazrat amroti and took hazrat lahori rh to him. This is well known. About shaykh abdul haqq muhaddith dehlawi you have any reference for this? He was a sufi and I can't remember which tariqa he was associated with. He wrote a famous book on the biographies of the sufis. Dr76 please confirm. With regards to mulla umar we are aware of him being naqshbandi. ALLAH knows best.
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