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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 11:54

Why is it that a person get's very angry when their shaykh/group/ideology is insulted but show little concern when the noble personality of Rasulullah sallhuhiwaslaam is insulted or when Islam is insulted. In the latter case people seem to exercise extreme patience, there are calls for restraint etc?

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 12:04

Double standards akhii nothing else

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 12:51

I don't know whether you are (a) implying that we should also stay calm when our "Shuyukh" get insulted or (b) if you want us to abandon any restraint if the same happens to our beloved Master (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam). Whatever the case may be, but I don't think there lies a deep or complicated theory behind it. I think many things are much simpler than we make them. Getting unnecessary angry over disrepects of your Shaykh is simply due to lack of "real Islah" (anger management, humbleness etc... remember Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi's response to one disciple who used to get very angry when Hadhrat was disrespected in his presence) and being untouched by the blatant offenses against Allah's beloved Nabi (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) is simply due to a huge lack of love for our Messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam). Just my humble 2 cents...

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 13:13

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This my brother is what some of us refer to "Hazrat worship"

Many don't like the term, but in 2 simple words, that's what it bores down to.

I hope the thread doesn't derail and turn into a farce!

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 13:50

Assalaamu 'Alaykum

The double standards are blatant. When Shaykh ABC is seemingly disrespected then we are quick to jump up and down claiming disrespect for 'Ulama, etc. etc. But when Shaykh XYZ is blatantly disrespected and he belongs to a different maslak then we keep quiet and even join in.

Is there any precedence in Shari'ah that permits or legitimises this scenario?

PS: the above scenario is not directly or indirectly related to any specific Shaykh or incident which has occurred either online or offline. Any such resemblance is not intended. The above is a generic scenario which is common both online and offline.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 13:59

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 14:30

It is not about hazrat worship. I myself love my shaykh as well. My question is more to do with a general trend. It is found in virtually all groups including passive lefties like Hamza yusuf groupies. They will jump up and down when their shaykh/group etc is criticized whilst saying silent when Rasulullah sallahualahiwasalam is insulted etc. This is not restricted to Sufis/salafis etc.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 14:49

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Its definitely Hazrat worship because when Shaykh (Mufti) Hussain Kadodia (HA) raised the issue of "some" fabricated Ahadeeth in Fazail-e-Amaal and all the Hazrat worshipers went into wrist-slitting depression! I got emails from people saying that here is some South African kid daring to criticize the BIGGEST HADEETH SCHOLAR in the world...People even planned on approaching Shaykh (Mufti) Ebrahim Desai (HA) to have Shaykh (Mufti) Hussain Kadodia (HA) sanctioned on the Internet...

Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA) was an Giant of Hadeeth nevertheless he was a "Human" so what if he made a mistake?

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 15:29

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It's due to weakness in Iman

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 15:33

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Will you please point out the fabricated ahadis.
I'd put this issue before ulama.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 15:43

According to the OP and title, my conclusion that it is "Shaykh Worship"

When Umar رضي الله عنه loved himself a wee bit more than the Prophet (saw)

himself, what did the Prophet (saw)

tell him?

If we don't have unconditional love for the Prophet, and this is proven when we remain silent on such issues, but become lions when a mere Shaykh is involved, this is proof of not abiding by the Shariah. Not abiding by the Shariah means following the desires. Following the desires means worshipping one's Nafs. Following ones Nafs means worshipping one's desires......i.e. WORSHIP......SHIRK!

Sorry, I now it seems like only yesterday I said this.

NOTE: I say "mere" without any disrespect to any Shaykh, its a comparison to Umar رضي الله عنه stature!

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 15:45

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There are threads regarding these. No need to repost or send to Ulama. The threads have explained everything already.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 15:57

It is reported that the Messenger of God (PBUH) said, "None of you truly believe until I have become more beloved to him than his father, his children and all of humankind." The Messenger of God (PBUH) also said, "Whoever possesses the following three qualities has tasted the sweetness of faith: the one for whom God and His Messenger are dearer than anything else, [one] who loves a person and he loves him solely for God's sake, and [one] who hates to revert to a state of disbelief as he hates to be thrown into the fire."

In another hadith it is narrated, "We were with the Prophet and he took the hand of 'Umar b. al-Khattab. 'Umar said to Him, "O Messenger of God, you are dearer to me than everything except my own self." The Prophet said, "No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete faith) until I am dearer to you than your own self." Then 'Umar said to him, "By God, it is now that you are dearer to me than my own self." The Prophet said, "Now, O 'Umar."

The Messenger of God (saw)

said, "All of my community will enter Paradise except those who refuse." It was asked, "O Messenger of God, who refuses?" He said, "Whoever obeys me will enter Heaven. Whoever disobeys me has refused."

Indeed, the Prophet (saw)

was not a wealthy or powerful figure who exercised his authority through force. In fact, he lacked the material means that would have enabled him to have such power over men. He used to tell his people in the words of the Qur'an, "Say, 'I do not tell you I have the treasures of God, and I do not know the unseen. And I do not tell you that I am an angel. I only follow what has been revealed to me [al-Anʿām: 50].'" Despite this fact, his Companions followed his commands and emulated his model to an extent that was unprecedented in the history of humanity. The reason for this is clear and simple. It is that the Messenger of God (PBUH) was the object of their intense love for the sake of God.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 16:36

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Brother,

You have ONCE AGAIN misunderstood the issue so BEFORE HATING me understand what is being discussed. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read and then respond and say that you have UNDERTSOOD it clearly without any issues.

I am NOT SAYING ANYTHING AT ALL about fabricated Ahadeeth in Fazail-e-Amaal. This topic is in realtion to Shaykh (Mufti) Hussain Kadodia (HA) and his post on Sunniforum

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read and then respond and say that you have UNDERTSOOD it clearly without any issues.

I have NOTHING to point out because I am NOT saying this!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read and then respond and say that you have UNDERTSOOD it clearly without any issues.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 16:43

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Agreed,

When Umar رضي الله عنه was Caliph and he was deeply concerned about the affairs of the Ummah, he was even more concerned about his own affairs and what if he went wrong and who would correct Umar ? Anyway he decided to ascend the pulpit and gather the people and put his concerns in front of them, once the Caliph told the people that he was concerned as to who would correct him if he made a mistake as he thought they wouldn't, to his amazement I think it was the ansaar and others who said we will correct you O Ameerul Mumineen and he asked how ? To this said if need be and made a gesture towards their swords, to this Umar bin Khattab رضي الله عنه laughed so much that his teeth showed and it put him at ease. I heard this in a talk/read in a book somewhere Walahu'Alam

Point is look Subhanalah Umar the second Caliph is concerned that no one will correct him. Are the Shaikh's of today above in Umar in rank, spirituality ? Astagfirullah, question is are the Shaikh's of today concerned about these things ?

Name me one Shaikh that today is concerned about being corrected ?

Name me one Shaikh today who considers himself a Munafiq or is concerned that he might be ?

Name me one Shaikh who deal with everyone equally and gives more value and preference to the weak and poor rather than the rich and haughty ?

The list goes on...

Umar رضي الله عنه had all these qualities and their is also no ikhtelaf on it either.

Some big fitnah times we live in today....seriously. Truth is it's only going to get worser and a lot worser. Benefit from these pools if you wish but also be on your guard as well.

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