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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2014 17:59
A friend of mine who actually is the admin of an islamic group made on watsapp was discussing about the attahiyatthat we recite recite in prayer. So someone posted a message that read attahiyat is a conversation between allah n the prophet s.a.ws. when he went to meraj which I too know of through mufti mufti huzefa palanpuri ( grandson of maulana umar palanpuri). She said the sources of this post is unauthentic and according to many narrations this is not true. Then when I told her to see the meaning itself she said but its not when the prophet ascended to meraj. She asked me to provide her with " authentic" hadith on this. So was this really a conversation in meraj or some other occassion.plz enlighten me.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2014 18:19
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2014 18:20
No its' not it's actually been refuted already, Insha'Ala someone can help you out with links.

In a bit of a rush right now
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2014 18:24
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2014 18:41
Ok... got it brother...
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2014 19:27
So, the narration where it's a dialogue between Jibreel (AS), Allah (SWT) and Mohammed (SAW) is fabricated?

The correct version as per that link can be found in the Hadith book Mu'atta?
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 4th June 2014 19:28
Taken from brother Muadh on SF:

Here you go, the section on tashahhud complete with at-tahiyat in the Muwatta:

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3.13 Tashahhud in the Prayer

56 Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from 'Urwa ibn az-Zubayr from 'Abd ar-Rahman ibn 'Abd al-Qari that he heard 'Umar ibn al-Khattab say, while he was teaching people the tashahhud from the minbar, "Say: 'Greetings belong to Allah. Pure actions belong to Allah. Good words and prayers belong to Allah. Peace on you, Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting. I testify that there is no god except Allah. And I testify that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger.'"

"At-tahiyatu lillah, az-zakiyatu lillah, at-tayibatu wa's-salawatu lillah. As-salamu 'alayka ayyuha'n-nabiyyu wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi'llahi's-salihin. Ash-hadu an la ilaha illa 'llah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan 'abduhu wa rasuluh."

[Ash-shafi'i relates it in the Risala.]

57 Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi' that 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar used to say the tashahhud saying, "In the Name of Allah. Greetings belong to Allah. Prayers belong to Allah. Pure actions belong to Allah. Peace be on the Prophet and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be on us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting. I testify that there is no god except Allah. I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah."

"Bismillah, at-tahiyatu lillah, as-salawatu lillah, az-zakiyatu lillah. As-salamu 'ala'n-nabiyyi wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi'llahi's-salihin. Shahidtu an la ilaha illallah. Shahidtu anna Muhammadan rasulu'llah."

He used to say this after the first two rak'ats and he would make supplication with whatever seemed fit to him when the tashahhud was completed. When he sat at the end of the prayer, he did the tashahhud in a similar manner, except that after the tashahhud he made supplication with whatever seemed fit to him. When he had completed the tashahhud and intended to say the taslim, he said, "Peace be on the Prophet and His mercy and blessings. Peace be upon us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting."

"As-salamu 'ala'n-nabiyyi wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi'llahi's-salihin."

He then said, "Peace be upon you" to his right, and would return the greeting to the imam, and if anyone said "Peace be upon you" from his left he would return the greeting to him.

58 Yahya related to me from Malik from 'Abd ar-Rahman ibn al-Qasim from his father that 'A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to say in the tashahhud, "Greetings, good words, prayers, pure actions belong to Allah. I testify that there is no god except Allah, alone without partner, and that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger. Peace be on you, Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be on us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting. Peace be upon you."

"At-tahiyatu, at-tayibatu, as-salawatu, az-zakiyatu lillah. Ash-hadu an la ilaha illa'llah, wahdahu la sharika lah, wa anna Muhammadan 'abduhu wa rasuluhu. As-salamu 'alayka ayyuha'n-nabiyyu wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi'llahi's-salihin. As-salamu 'alaykum."

59 Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Sa'id al-Ansari that al-Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Muhammad told him that 'A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to say in the tashahhud, "Greetings, good words, prayers, pure actions belong to Allah. I testify that there is no god except Allah, alone without partner, and I testify that Muhammad is the slave of Allah and His Messenger. Peace be upon you, Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us and on the slaves of Allah who are right-acting. Peace be upon you."

"At-tahiyatu, at-tayibatu, as-salawatu, az-zakiyatu lillah. Ash-hadu an la ilaha illa'llah, wahdahu la sharika lah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan 'abduhu wa rasuluhu. As-salamu 'alayka ayyuha'n-nabiyyu wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu. As-salamu 'alayna wa 'ala 'ibadi-llahi's-salihin. As-salamu 'alaykum."

60 Yahya related to me from Malik that he asked Ibn Shihab and Nafi', the mawla of Ibn 'Umar, whether a man who joined an imam who had already done a rak'a should say the tashahhud with the imam in the second and fourth rak'as, even though these were odd for him? They said, "He should say the tashahhud with him."

Malik said, "That is the position with us."
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