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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 19:13
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That is great to hear. May Allah accepts this effort.
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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 19:15
Jazakallah for all the input (needed or not)

But can we please stick to the topic only. Otherwise it's better I just lock it, no need for everyone to get at each other's throats, is there?

If we stick to the topic (everyone) there'd be no need for everyone going around digging up all sorts from all over, simply not necessary.


And please stop going round in circles, if that's what we wanted, we'd just read the thread over and over.

I'm sure we're all mature enough to at least stick to JUST the topic!
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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 19:20
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Maulana, I never deviated from the topic and my repeated attempts at sticking to the topic have been torn to bits by more than one user here. I am not fighting or responding for my own honour or defending my own character.

can you please ask respected brother muadh khan to please give me the page number or the scanned reference from bayan ul quran where it says it is waajib to defend ones honour. Im genuinely confused because if it is indeed waajib then it entails that one sins by ignoring accusations against him and not responding to protect his honour.
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 19:42
Brother Akaabir, I believe you missed this in my reply to you on page 2

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I'm not an Administrator of the site, "just" and Authorizer. I'm not a Maulana (as has been said somewhere by someone).


Secondly, I'm not saying who, what, where, why. My post is General and applies to me, you, and everyone else.

Brother Muadh, can you or can't you prove the point made so we can conclude without distorting this further.

One simple question requires one simple answer.

Any other issues, please take them up on other threads or blogs.

I'm not asking for too much.

I appreciate both of your concerns, but this is ONE topic, and its not the RANDOM one.

جزاك الله خيرا
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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 20:08
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 20:15
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Sorry i know this IS off topic, however, since this question/comment has been repeated over and over again during the past few days, i will attempt to answer.

Being a FAN and a FOLLOWER is two different things. Its entirely unrelated. You can love, respect, admire and DEFEND a person, despite not following him.

I fail to understand how a person (this post is NOT directed at anybody in particular) can have difficulty understanding this.

I, like many others are what you'll consider 'fans' of ml A.S Desai, but i do not follow him.

Likewise (as an example) i am a 'fan' of imam Shafi, imam Maliki, imam Ahmed ibn Hambal and many others (may Allah have mercy upon all of them and fill their qabrs with light) BUT i do not follow them. I am a hanafi and i follow imam abu Hanifa (r.a).

I hope my most doesn't come across as inciting or disrespectful, because its certainly not intended to.

Jazakallahu khair.

Btw, Definition of fan: A person who has a strong interest in or admiration for a particular sport, art form, or famous person.

www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fan



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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 20:19
The dislikes are weak guys. Doesn't change my feelings to what I read. Anyone care to explain the dislikes? I will retract any statements if you can justify it. Otherwise the dislikes are just cowardly in my books
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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 20:21
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Don't worry, not just dislikes. Post has been reported also ;)

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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 20:27
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Oh right. I guess that justified everything. Thanks for enlightening me about the dislike bro :)
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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 20:27
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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 20:37
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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 20:38
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Ok so I change the sentence to "Whenever I google something Islamic I am so proud to see sunniforum, muftisays as top results. Salafis would have taken over UK if it wasn't for sites like these so I can't for the life of me understand why the Mufti is cursing, fluffy teddy bear without eyesing and condemning such beautiful works." so i've removed askimam from the list.

By the way, sunniforum and muftisays is almost always on first page of results. But not askimam. So my statement stands

"Like brother deoband says ~ understanding the hikmah behind a fatwa is not a crime!"

I already said I understand why he says it's Haram and also said I can't deny the reasons. Lol I don't get your post sorry. Is it for or against the googling comment?
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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 20:39

[QUOTE=mmb786]Being a FAN and a FOLLOWER is two different things. Its entirely unrelated. You can love, respect, admire and DEFEND a person, despite not following him.

I fail to understand how a person (this post is NOT directed at anybody in particular) can have difficulty understanding this. [/QUOTE]

We follow Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) and disagree with Imam Shaf'ae (RA) but we neither curse him, nor we accuse him of slander nor we chase him with filthy tongues. We merely articulate our difference and disagreement with the utmost respect, honour and diginity and move on.

A 18 year old young Darul-uloom student sits on the mimbar and during a Dars disagrees with Imam Shaf'ae (RA) openly and candidly, nobody questions his right, nobody abuses him, nobody reviles him and nobody abuses him!

This is Islamic Academic pedigree, the opposite is "Hazrat Worship"

[QUOTE=Akaabir] Like brother deoband says ~ understanding the hikmah behind a fatwa is not a crime![/QUOTE]

  1. Similarly in the worst case scenario NOT understanding the Hikmah behind a Fatwa is neither a crime nor a sin.
  2. Disagreeing with a Fatwa is ALSO neither a crime nor a sin.
  3. Claims of understanding the Hikmah behind a Fatwa is no certainty of actually understaning a Fatwa.
  4. And what is the status of reading a Fatwa, understanding it and then turning away from it?

Assalamualaikum wa rahamatullahi wa barakatuh,

Respected Mufti Sahib,


I will first start by introducing about a forum on the internet, called "sunni forum," the website is :
www.sunniforum.com.


The forum is run by a Shura, consisting of 'Deobandi' muftis, 'alims, 'alimahs, and non 'alims. The forum has allowed discussion between men and women on topics ranging from Shari'a to politics and global situation. Personal matters like asking for advice are also discussed. Personalities like Junaid Jamshed are also discussed. The nature of these discussions is such that the users do not know each other, the do not see each other, cannot contact each other and cannot send private messages.


But still discussions between the opposite gender takes place which is most of the time unnecessary. Sometimes Light jokes are shared and taken place.


Also, Sometimes, the discussion goes out of fold of Islamic discussion, leading to unnecessary communication being made, where non-mehram users on the forum show emotion to others publicly. for example an old male member announced leaving the forum and sisters expressed their grief that we are sad you are leaving. Your posts are very beneficial. Sisters give duas personally like brother fulan, may Allah bless you in dunia and akhirat.


And out of all this happening, the shura of the forum agrees this is permitted in their view. They say that general online Islamic discussions are allowed between non mehrams. They use sahabiyyat as daleel that sahaba used to learn Islam from Sahabiyaat.


We always heard from our akabireen that uneccessary talks between non-mehram is not permissible, and this is the first time we are seeing that on the internet, a shura on the forum claims that online Islamic discussion between non-merahm is allowed in shariat…


My questions are ...

1 – Is this type of forum allowed in shariat?

2 – Are the shura correct in allowing this to happen? Is this claim right that general online discussion between non-mehram is allowed in shariat?

3 – What is the definition of need in shariat to allow the non-mehram to contact others and to what limts?

4 - What advice and caution will you give about the sunni forum?

Jazakallah,


Assalamualaikum wa rahamatullahi wa barakatuhu

ASSALAMU ALAIKUM

5 Muharram 1434 (19 November 2012)

Respected Muhtaram,

Your e-mail dated 18 November 2012 refers.

(1) The ‘Sunni Forum’ is a forum of the juhala who are entrapped in the snare of shaitaan. The activities of this stupid forum are haraam. It is not permissible to have such a lewd forum, especially when it is billed as an ‘Islamic’ forum.

(2) The shura of this forum is securely in the tentacles of shaitaan. Shaitaan has opened up a novel way of zina for the morons operating this forum and for those participating in the deception.

(3) Dhururat (Dire Need) which permits talk between ghair mahrams is a need without which life becomes extremely difficult. Examples of such need are doctor and patient when there is no doctor of the same sex available; Qaadhi listening to evidence or testimony of a woman; a woman has no mahram male to do her essential shopping, and any other real/dire need such as an emergency.

When the Fuqaha have prohibited even offering Salaam to a woman or vice versa, then one can easily understand the shaitaaniyat of this drivel forum presented with an ‘islamic’ façade.

(4) Our advice is that no one should participate in this haraam forum which is a stepping stone for zina. The Qur’aan states: “And do not come near to zina.” This forum is an introductory step for zina

Was-salaam

A.S. Desai

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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 21:23
Unbelievable guys!

I should just quit and carry on elsewhere.

I haven't read any of the posts yet, so please bear with me.

In the mean time, I'll lock the thread.

PM me when there is an answer otherwise WasSalaam.

InshaAllah, I'll catch up on the posts and comment later.

@Admin, can the non sense be split out and either vaulted or thrown into debates. Please add the brother members to the relevant refutation section where they can chew on every sentence.

(I can be horribly nice too)
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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 5th June 2014 21:26
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I was thinking the same but I'll need the thread starters help to distinguish what's related and what can continue in debates so let me know when you've sorted it :)
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