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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 10:53
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we have authentic ulema who do interpretation, can ask them for dream interpretation.

If a layperson says that he has the Wahbi Ilm. i wont take the risk of geting ny dream interpretd from him, since he may lie or so.
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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 10:54
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As-Salaamu 'Alaykum

Meaning its a legitimate field of Islam. As for what is required of you to become an interpreter, I have no clue. I feel that Sister Muslim11 seems to be correct, in that this 'ilm is a gift which Allah chooses to bestow upon a few select servants of his. I dont think its something that anyone can just "study" and suddenly become an expert in, like fiqh or 'aqeedah.

Perhaps shaykh dr76 can clue us in a bit more insha'Allah.

Wassalaam.
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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 10:54
In all my life, I've never wanted or needed to have my dreams interpreted!
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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:09

1st Statement:

[QUOTE=muslim11]its a Wahbi ilm, one cant acquire it like the ilm of Hadith or Fiqh. its God Gifted. You cant do Phd in it[/QUOTE]

2nd Statement:

[QUOTE=muslim11]We have authentic ulema who do interpretation. If a layperson says that he has the Wahbi Ilm. i wont take the risk of geting ny dream interpretd from him, since he may lie or so. [/QUOTE]

Problem:

  1. If its a knowledge which can't be acquired then why can't Non-Ulamah interpret it? Why does one need to go to an Alim?
  2. So you are saying Ulamah are not capable of lying but laymen lie?

 


1st Statement:

[QUOTE=Arslan]The science of dream interpretation in general, however, is a rock solid 'ilm just like any other in Islam. This is attested to by the Qur'an in surah Yusuf. In general, its not a science of speculation or 'theory'. Dream Interpretations (if done by a qualified person) are almost always spot on. Allah gives this knowledge to whoever he wills, and it should be taken seriously. [/QUOTE]

2nd Statement:

[QUOTE=Arslan]Meaning its a legitimate field of Islam. As for what is required of you to become an interpreter, I have no clue. I feel that Sister Muslim11 seems to be correct, in that this 'ilm is a gift which Allah chooses to bestow upon a few select servants of his. I dont think its something that anyone can just "study" and suddenly become an expert in, like fiqh or 'aqeedah. [/QUOTE]

Fatwa of Shaykh (Mufti) A.S. Desai (HA):

[QUOTE=Shaykh (Mufti) A.S. Desai (HA)]

ASSALAMU ALAIKUM

4 Rajab 1435 (4 Maqy 2914)

Abu Mohammed

Your e-mail dated 2 May 2014 refers.

If a faasiq (flagrant/immoral sinner) reports that he has seen Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) in an un-Islamic form in a dream, then in all probability he (the faasiq) has fabricated the dream. His dream should be discounted and not accepted.

If a genuinely pious person – a man of the Sunnah – sees Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) in an un-Islmic form, then it will be a lesson or a warning for him. The pious person may be involved in something evil, hence the warning. It will have a deep meaning which only an expert muabbir (interpreter of dreams) will be able to interpret.

There is really no clarity and certitude on these issues. Whatever is said will be theory and opinion. Allah knows best.

Was-salaam

A.S. Desai

For

Mujlisul Ulama of S.A.

[/QUOTE]

Problem:

  1. Are you disagreeing with Hazrat and calling him wrong?
  2. He says there is no clarity and you say that its rock solid and almost always correct?

Jzk

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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:13
Bhai muadh, see my original reply to sister Maria.

JazaakAllah.
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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:16
السلام عليكم

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A Repost..

True dreams are a part of Prophethood, as it was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "True dreams are one of the forty-six parts of Prophethood." (al-Bukhaari, 6472; Muslim, 4201)

Dreams marked the onset of Revelation (al-Bukhaari, 3; Muslim, 231).


The truthfulness of the dream is related to the sincerity of the dreamer. Those who have the most truthful dreams are those who are the most truthful in speech. (Muslim, 4200)

Towards the end of time, hardly any dreams will be untrue. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "That will be because the Prophethood and its effects will be so far away in time, so the believers will be given some compensation in the form of dreams which will bring them some good news or will help them to be patient and steadfast in their faith." (al-Bukhaari, 6499; Muslim, 4200)

The same may be said of the miracles which appeared after the time of the Sahaabah. This did not happen during their time because they did not need them, due to their strong faith, but the people who came after them needed them (the miracles) because their faith was weak.

Dreams are of three types: rahmaani (those that come from Allaah), nafsaani (psychological, they come from within a person) and shaytaani (those that come from the Shaytaan). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Dreams are of three types: a dream from Allaah, a dream which causes distress and which comes from the Shaytaan, and a dream which comes from what a person thinks about when he is awake, and he sees it when he is asleep." (al-Bukhaari, 6499; Muslim, 4200)

The dreams of the Prophets are wahy (revelation) for they are protected from the Shaytaan. The Ummah is agreed upon this. This is why Ibraaheem set out to fulfil the command of Allaah to sacrifice his son Ismaa'eel when he saw that in a dream; may peace be upon them both.

The dreams of people other than the Prophets are to be examined in the light of the clear Wahy [i.e., the Qur'aan and Sunnah]. If they are in accordance with the Qur'aan and Sunnah, all well and good; otherwise, they should not be acted upon. This is a very serious matter indeed, for many of the innovators among the Sufis and others have gone astray because of this.

Whoever wants to have true dreams should strive to speak honestly, eat halaal food, adhere to the commandments of sharee'ah, avoid that which Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) have forbidden, sleep in a state of complete purity facing the Qiblah, and remember Allaah until he feels his eyelids drooping. If he does all this, then his dreams can hardly be untrue.

The most truthful of dreams are those that are seen at the time of suhoor [just before dawn], for this is the time when Allaah descends and when mercy and forgiveness are close. It is also the time when the devils are quiet, unlike the time of darkness just after sunset, when the devils and devilish souls spread out.

(See Madaarij al-Saalikeen, 1/50-52)

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar رحمة الله عليه said:

All dreams are either of two types:

true dreams. These are the dreams of the Prophets and of the righteous people who follow them. They may also happen to other people, but this is very rare, such as the dream of the kaafir king which was interpreted for him by Yoosuf (peace be upon him). True dreams are those which come true in real life as they were seen in the dream.

Mixed up false dreams, which warn of something. These are of different types:

games of the Shaytaan to make a person distressed, such as when he sees his head cut off and he is following it, or he sees himself falling into a crisis and cannot find anyone to save him from it, and so on.

When he sees some of the angels telling him to do something forbidden, or other things that cannot possibly make sense.

When he sees something that happens to him in real life, or he wishes it would happen, and he sees it very realistically in his dream; or he see what usually happens to him when he is awake or what reflects his mood. These dreams usually speak of the future or the present, rarely of the past.

See: Fath al-Baari, 12/352-354

Abu Sa'eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "If any one of you sees a dream that he likes, this is from Allaah, so let him praise Allaah for it and talk about it to others. If he sees other than that, a dream that he dislikes, this is from the Shaytaan, so let him seek refuge with Allaah from its evil and not mention it to anyone, for it will not harm him." (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6584, and Muslim, 5862).

Abu Qutaadah رضي الله عنه said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Good dreams come from Allaah, and (bad) dreams come from Shaytaan. Whoever sees something that he dislikes, let him spit to his left three times and seek refuge with Allaah from the Shaytaan, for it will not harm him." (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6594, and Muslim, 5862). The "spitting" referred to here is a soft, dry spitting with no saliva ejected.

It was reported from Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "If any one of you sees a dream that he dislikes, let him spit to his left three times, and seek refuge with Allaah from the Shaytaan three times, and turn over from the side on which he was sleeping." (Narrated by Muslim, 5864)

Ibn Hajar رحمة الله عليه said: to sum up what has been said about good dreams, we may say three things:

A person should praise Allaah for the good dream

He should feel happy about it

He should talk about it to those whom he loves but not to those whom he dislikes.

To sum up what has been said about bad dreams, we may say four things:

He should seek refuge with Allaah from the evil of the dream

He should seek refuge with Allaah from the evil of the Shaytaan

He should spit to his left three times when he wakes up

He should not mention it to anyone at all.

In al-Bukhaari, Baab al-Qayd fi'l-Manaam, a fifth thing was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, which is to pray. The wording of the report is: whoever sees something he dislikes (in a dream) should not tell anyone about it; rather he should get up and pray. This was reported as a Mawsool report by Imaam Muslim in his Saheeh.

Muslim added a sixth thing, which is to turn over from the side on which one was lying.

In conclusion, there are six things to do, the four mentioned above, plus praying two rak'ahs, for example, and turning over from the side on which one was lying to lie on one's back, for example.

See Fath al-Baari, 12/370.

According to a hadeeth narrated from Abu Razeen by al-Tirmidhi, he should not tell anybody about it except a very close friend who loves him very much, or who is very wise. According to another report, he should not talk about it except to one who is wise or one who is dear to him. According to another report, he should not tell of his dream except to a scholar or one who will give sincere advice. Al-Qaadi Abu Bakr ibn al-'Arabi said: as for the scholar, he will interpret it in a good way for him as much as he can, and the one who will give him sincere advice will teach him something that will be of benefit to him and will help him to do that. The one who is wise is the one who knows how to interpret it and will tell him only that which will help him, otherwise he will keep quiet. The one who is dear, if he knows something good he will say it, and if he does not know or he is in doubt, he will keep quiet.

See Fath al-Baari, 12/369

Imaam al-Baghawi رحمة الله عليه said:

Know that the interpretation of dreams falls into various categories. Dreams may be interpreted in the light of the Qur'aan or in the light of the Sunnah, or by means of the proverbs that are current among people, or by names and metaphors, or in terms of opposites. (Sharh al-Sunnah, 12/220)

He gave examples of this, such as:

Interpretation in the light of the Qur'aan: such as a rope meaning a covenant, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah..." [Aal 'Imraan 3:103]

Interpretation in the light of the Sunnah: such as the crow representing an immoral man (faasiq), because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called it such.

Interpretation by means of proverbs: such a digging a hole meaning a plot, because people say "Whoever digs a hole will fall in it."

Interpretation by means of names: such as seeing a man called Raashid meaning wisdom.

Interpretation by means of opposites: such as fear meaning safety, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And He will surely give them in exchange a safe security after their fear" [al-Noor 24:55]


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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:24

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Brother,

Please request Hazrat to clarify this one line, feel free to copy/post this into your email response.


Asslamo Allaikum Hazrat (HA), 

May Allah (SWT) reward you for your response but I need some clarification on one line in your response

There is really no clarity and certitude on these issues. Whatever is said will be theory and opinion. Allah knows best.

Do you mean that there is no clarity on "this particular issue" OR there is no clarity and certitude on dreams and (related) dream interpretation in general? Is dream interpretation an exact rock solid science of Islamic knowledge with is certain?

Jazakallahu Khayran

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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:25
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This is not the area of dispute. The dispute is the "interpretation" which is given as a ROCK SOLID CERTAIN science may I ask for a reference for that please?

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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:26
@Maulana Muadh,
please read the layperson part of my post.

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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:30
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Not a Maulana, Aapa but I have expanded the question for you to make it easier to understand as it was not clearly written by me. Please see the same post again.

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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:30
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Sent, please give about 3 days for response inshaAllah.
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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:41
I purchased a book a few years ago by the name of "Dreams and interpretaions" by Ibn Sireen. I'll be very honest, I doubt the authenticity of many of the things written in that book. I think someone has compiled the original work, added a load of other bits to it and gave it ibn sireens name.

The book also mentions on the position of the person sleeping and how the hands and feet etc were, ie. if the hands were holding each other, or if they were in a fist position etc. who in the world remembers all of this when they are fast a sleep.

Anyways, I'm sure many people would interpret dreams in many ways and there may never be a conclusive answer from them all.

Take a look at the dream of Imam Abu Hanifa (rh) he dreamt he was digging the grave of the prophet (saw) and he feared the meaning as well as got different interpretations! It was indeed finally interpreted by a "pious" expert in the field. I guess pious and expert are a must combo!
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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:43
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That (Interpretation) may vary from person to person (according to his expertise in the subject).. depends upon the Interpreter and the skill he has developed or acquired under someone.. not many ulema or Mashaikh claim expertise in this..
also a person's intuition ( or ilm e wahbi as the sister said) can play a role when deciphering Metaphors.. apart from his knowledge of Qur'an and sunnah..

Hazrat Shaikh ul Hadeeth sahab رحمة الله عليه has mentioned a Qawl of ulema of Ta'beer that the angel assigned with the duty of showing dreams is known as Sadiqun.. who guides people by showing metaphors in dreams..

Now the interpretation may vary from one expert to another.. with little or no change..

wallahu alam..

wa Assalam..
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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 11:49

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The book also mentions on the position of the person sleeping and how the hands and feet etc were, ie. if the hands were holding each other, or if they were in a fist position etc. who in the world remembers all of this when they are fast a sleep.



I dont know about its effect on dreams but sleeping positions can give some clues about ones personality..

wa Allahu alam..
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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2014 12:01

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Tabeerul-Ruwyaa by Imam Ibn Sireen (RA) [page 14]:

8 areas of knowledge are necessary for the Science of Tab'beer:

  1. Knowledge of Tafseer
  2. Knowledge of Hadeeth
  3. Knowledge of Idioms
  4. Knowledge of Powtery
  5. Knowledge of Nawadir
  6. Knowledge of Ishtiqaq (Part of Sarf)
  7. Knowledge of Languages
  8. Knowledge of Current usage of linguistic subtleties and prevelant usage

Tabeerul-Ruwyaa by Imam Ibn Sireen (RA) [page 18-19]:

Imam Ibn Sireen (RA) says that the interpreter should have the following qualities:

  1. Knowledge of Shariah
  2. Knowledge of people's cultural habits and nuisances
  3. Perpetually engage in dua that only good and (beneficial) matters should be issued from his tongue
  4. Abstention from sins
  5. Abstention from Haram Income
  6. Abstention from vulgar talks (speaking and listening)
  7. He should be in Wudhu when listening to dreams
  8. If the one who dreams is his enemy then the enmity must not make him give a false interpretation
  9. If the interpretation is harmful to the one who had the dream then such interpretation shouldn't be discussed with people
  10. Inquire the name, social rank (and standing), his intellect and morals should be evaluated. It should also be noted as to when the dream occured and time should be recorded. Also keep an eye on the body language of the one who had the dream when
  11. Ibn Sireen (RA) was an "Imam" in this field but if he didn't understahnd a dream he didn't offer an interpretation

Dr Saheb (HA), you must admit that a lot of this is "observation and deduction".

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