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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 09:59

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Take it easy on him akhii, the only Tasawwuf talk he's most probably read is from the SF brothers, in fact the only person who posts some materials in regards to Tasawwuf here on MS is brother Saifuddeen and even his material mostly comes from a brothers blog on SF.

Anyway if he won't be confused what else will he be ?

These days how many people claim to see Rasoolalah (saw)

??? How many of these people have introduced innovations that at times contradict the Shariah and Sunnah ?? An example for you, If Padri can claim that Rasoolalah (saw)

told him to book a seat for him too on the plane then what do you expect people to believe ?? Later when asked about it Padri's reply was oh traveling is linked with knowledge in tabeer of the dream. Look at the incident that happened in Chakwal, Pakistan, they claimed that Rasoolalah (saw)

visited the house and what not ...

Many of these people who claim such dreams akhii, have actually lied and introduced innovations into the Deen. All based on their dreams. Walahu'Alam

Do you blame him for taking the Salafi approach ? Which from a neutral perspective seems like the safest approach to this issue.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 10:31

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Well it isn't it crystal clear that Dreams are NOT proof for ANY sharii or Fiqh ruling. The sahabah and Tabi'i must have dreamed of Rasoolullah (saw)

a lot. But no one of them mentions that a dream as proof for anything. Because it is NOT a proof.

So tahir qadri's claims have no value irrespective of the content of the Dream. And also it is easy to misinterpret dreams. But why should people throw out the baby with the bath water??

Jinn bhai, you are talking as if salafi approach is the safest??? That is to reject everything one doesn't have in-depth knowledge about??? That is the disease of the ummah currently. Wallahi it will lead one to his own ruin.

The correct approach is to accept the opinion of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jamah. If there is ikhtilaaf, accept the fact there is a difference in opinion and move on. Not reject things completely or conjure up stupid 'theories' like sufi did on the first page.

Edit: I m not saying to accept peoples public claims. Because people lie more often than we think. But if one sees Rasoolullah (saw)

in his dreams, it is indeed him (saw)

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 10:53

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I see where your coming from akhii but for the masses seeing Rasoolalah (saw)

is a dalleel itself for people even though its not, the reason being is the desi community is amazed by mysticism.

Haven't the people who claim such feats and dreams been at the forefront of introducing innovations and people flock to them in hundreds even thousands.

The Salafi approach has caution in it. Not all but this one. Otherwise most people are overcome by emotions when it comes to these things. I'd rather be a Salafi here, rather then be high on opium/weed wearing bangles in my hands and feet and dancing at some mazaar for Milad like a looney all because of someone's dream, no thanks brother.

So Abu Muhammad's caution is understandable in my view.

In regards to your last paragraph I agree, however I have come alcome across people who claim to see Rasoolalah (saw)

and when they tell someone they are often asked the 'huliya', however I'll have to look into this a bit more though.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 10:58

Jazakallah brothers.

I'm not taking Salafi evidence as sealed and stamped! Just taking the views from all.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 11:02

With regards to why I think it's an insult is because how can one attribute a stubble to the prophet (saw)

when he himself said that Allah ordered him to lengthen the beard and clip the moustache!

Why would he appear in a dream in such a manner to teach someone to grow a beard? He could tell him straight!

What difference is there between those who draw cartoons of deformed images of our beloved and then accept that it's possible for our beloved to appear deformed too?

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 11:35

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Any responses to this. I don't wish to remain ignorant on my thoughts!

Is my thinking correct or not?

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 11:40

How do i post images?

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 11:44

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 11:46

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your thinking is incorrect as it is a reflection of one's own state. So how can it be a shortcoming in Rasulullah sallahualahiwaslaam? Also dreams are subject to intepretation. The brevlis use the same logic. One mureed of hazrat thanvi saw a DREAM saying laillaha illah ashraf ali is the Rasul of ALLAH...brelvis used it to twist it whilst it was just a dream and the interpreation was far different to the apparent. Dreams are a science in themselves...

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 11:46

Without registering and i dnt want to register.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 12:04

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Hazrat,

I want Khilafah in all Silsilas without Bayt' or any Adhkaar.

Can you please help?

Jzk

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 12:19

Here are the ''stupid najdi salafi'' (sarcasm) theories of ibn e seereen ra and hazrat shah rafiuddin dehlwi ra.

Ofcourse there are other views too like almost in every mas'ala there are difference of opinions. We'll take the safest, in these times of fitnah and turmoil where every other peer shaikh comes up with im getting this directly from rasoolAllah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam. I saw this and i saw that.And these peers have huge followings.

Brother jinn, show your friend these screnshots. He had asked me to show him the reference, its mentioned here how shaytaan put his voice in wahi while rasoolAllah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam was reciting the ayats of surah najm, he went into istighraq and the 'white shaytan' put his voice.

Your friend said it can never happen, i told him it had happened and some ulama say if shaytan can do this while awake, he can do it in dreams also.

Anyways everyone chill.. difference of opinion not stupid theories :-)

This is my last post here on this topic so anyone pretending to be me wont be me.

Found my old login.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 12:40

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The Nature of Dreams: Status and Kinds

First comes the nature of dreams and the status of events and information released by them. In Tafsir Mazhari, Qadi Thana'ullah Rahmatullahi 'Alayh Allah have mercy upon him has said: 'The reality of a dream is that, when the human self - as a result of sleep or unconsciousness - is freed from the management of the active body, it comes to see some shapes through the faculty of imagination. This is what a dream is. Then, it has three kinds, two out of which are totally false, having no substance and base - while one, in terms of its being, is correct and true. But, even in this correct kind, some other contingents may occasionally intermingle and thereby make it defective and unreliable.

To explain this in detail, it can be said that the different shapes, images, situations and events one sees in a dream come in two modes. Sometimes, what one sees while awake returns to him transformed in a dream. And sometimes, it so happens that the Satan would make his input, introducing some forms, situations and events into a person's mind which would either be pleasing or terrifying. Both these kinds are false. They have no substance or reality, nor can they be interpreted in any actual sense. Out of these two, the first kind is Self-Suggestion (Hadith An-Nafs) and the other, The Seductive Input of the Shaytan (Taswil Ash-Shaytan).

The third kind, correct and true, is a kind of Ilham (mode of inspiring) which is activated to warn a servant of Allah or to give him glad tidings. In other words, out of His unseen treasures, Allah Ta'ala would put things in one's mind and heart.
In a Hadith, the Holy Prophet Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam is reported to have said: 'The dream of a believer is a dialogue in which he has the honour of talking to his Rabb.' This Hadith has been reported by al-Tabarani with a sound chain of authorities. (Mazhari)

The Dream of a Sinning Disbeliever May Also be True at Times

In short, true dreams, as made clear in Hadith, have no place in the lives of Muslims at large except that they can be either glad tidings, or warning, for them. They are no binding argument in any matter, neither for their own selves, nor for others. Some people, unaware of this truth, fall a victim to all sorts of scruples after having seen such dreams. Some of them would start taking these as a sign of having become a saint or something like that. Others would tend to give what they get out of these dreams the status of the injunctions of the Shari'ah. All these approaches are baseless. Specially so, when we already know that there is every likelihood that both kinds of imaginings, self-suggested or Satan-induced, can get profusely intermingled with true dreams.

Taken from Ma'ariful Qur'an

Check out this explanation on the status of dreams in relation to Rasulullah (saw)

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islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/8455

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 14:23

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Jazakallah, will look into it and think about it more.

I can't seem to comprehend why our beloved (saw)

would need to compromise and appear differently or say things in an in direct manner especially when he NEVER did this even with the hypocrites. He spoke the the hypocrites in a manner so beautiful that it would pierce their hearts yet they wouldn't be able to argue back.

We even find incidents where the sahaba wouldn't compromise on the Sunnah even when they were in front of royalty! So why accept it in dreams?

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2014 14:47

As I said this is related to a defect in the dreamer not Nauzibllah in Rasulullah sallahualahiwaslaam.

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