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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 09:11
officially the muslims make up 15% of the population, the unofficial figure is higher, they say its 18-20%
in-fact muslims are known as the kingmakers, its their vote which really matters in the end as they don't have the majority while the non muslims are divided between their parties and candidates what happens is muslims vote en masse to one candidate and usually he or she goes on-to win...

where this isn't the case, muslims have lost - how? the kuffar realize this great loophole in democratic elections, so they seek to divide the muslim vote by fielding neutral candidates also known as independents in muslim dominated constituencies or also field muslim candidates, so that votes by secularists get divided and the conservatives win..


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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 09:51
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Correct!
the problem is with Muslims. If there is an iota of Eeeman people would think of unity; whats the case now in India???
You see Muslims fighting/accusing each other in campaigns, Muslims are secretly campaigning for BJP for local society power and money. What can you do with these stupid people?

no sign of Eeman, no Amr bil Maroof wa Nahi anil Munkar -
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 09:56
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Are they King Makers? BJP this year started with a strategy of 15% berth i.e. assumed that they won't get Muslim votes. If BJP win this time (with clear majority) it spells bad news for Muslims of India.

Because at least Congress etc pay lip-Service to Indian Muslims for their vote but this disappear with BJP majority win.

Believe me from 16MAY2014 every Analyst will be looking at "Muslim Vote Bank"


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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 10:00
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IF BJP/Modi get in power it is very bad news for Muslims. People should never underestimate politics. When Muslims lose political power their religion usually suffers as history is shown.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 10:53
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 11:01
may ALLAH SWT bless the Indian muslims and us all. give hidayat to keyboard warriors and others.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 11:09

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  1. BJP/Congress/SP/BSP/AAP are "Non-Muslims"
  2. Keyboard Jihadists/Warrriors are "Muslims"
    1. Even if they are wrong they are "Faasiq" and not "Kaafir"

 

[48:29] Muhammad (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam)is the messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are hard on the disbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down in Ruku, prostrating themselves in Sajdah, seeking grace from Allah, and (His) good pleasure; their distinguishing feature is on their faces from the effect of Sajdah (prostration). This is their description in Torah; and their description in Injil is like a sown crop that brings forth its shoot, then makes it strong, then it grows thick and stands straight on its stem, looking good to the farmers, so that He may enrage the disbelievers through them. Allah has promised forgiveness and a huge reward to those of them who believe and do good deeds.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 12:00
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is it the opposite way;?

if Amals are good, leader is good..
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 12:15
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Yes it all depends on amaal...nobody disagrees. At the same time work should be done at all levels and politics is an important part.
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 12:21

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Brother,

There are 3 responses to your question:

Response # 1:

Sahabah (RA) were the best of Muslims and they worried about a leader and didn't merely contend themselves with improving Eemaan and Aamaal but made efforts to select the best of leaders.

Response # 2:

We know that the state of Indian Muslims with regards to Eemaan and Aamaal is bad so what we do? Leave the fate of millions to BJP? Do you want what happened in Gujarat to be repeated (Allah forbid!) with all of our daughters?

Response # 3:

How about improving people's Emaan and also working to safeguard the physical life, honour, respect and dignity of Muslims at the same time.

If you chose 3 then this is what Shariah teaches you. No command in Islam tells you to work on Eemaan and leave other factors alone

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 12:34
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jazakallah khairan muadh. As one shaykh put it very nicely why should we rely on the tyrants and fasiqs and kafirs for hajj etc as one of the condtions of hajj is that the route needs to be safe. Therefore if the ruler is corrupt our hajj is in danger. The same is true for many arkaan of deen. It is very hard to establish without a good ruler.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 13:22
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Alhamdulillah - You were not in my mohalla,where you see one Muslim campaigning for BJP in the dark & another muslim sharing money to vote for BJP candidate..
I was shouting to every masjid committee member, all are asking me to leave that matter..

Who will be our leader?
Taqwa people are very less...
Power/money/etc.etc is in the hands of Muslims who rarely visit masjid,

If we select a deendari/non corrupt/taqwa person as our muslim representative, there are our own Muslim people to kick him...
There is no unity among us... Make some strong dua for us.
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 13:27
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A Deobandi Maulana is asking me to vote for a Shia in my country!
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 17:16
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1: Modi isn't going to be PM until he gets 272 seats. Split in BJP is imminent on this issue if it doesn't touch the required magic figure.
As Internally BJP is divided into 3 groups:
Pro Modi, Pro Advani Pro Rajnath singh. These 3 groups will clash to grasp the PM office but RSS will take the final decision.

2: Congress will make an alliance with Communist parties and other regional parties as they've indicated to come together to stop Modi from becoming PM

3: After 5th phase of election wise decision of Muslim to stop Modi has compelled RSS to take the command for BJP and coming back to its old Hindutwa agenda whereas Priynka Gandhi has come forward to baffle Modi and party; and interestingly she's emerged as ''a poignant reply'' to BJP.

4: Modi has annoyed several regional Parties. It may startle him and BJP

5: Muslims have to 'wait & watch'

6: Secular fabric in India may be harmed if Modi becomes PM

7: Dua is needed

8: InshaAllah hope for the best. What Allah سبحانه وتعالى does is always good for us.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 30th April 2014 20:29
Modi is not going to become a PM, read the article written by Gaurav Pandhi on IBNLive titled "Narendra Modi: Number crunching makes PM post a distant possibility"

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All the news channels, all of them gave a big coverage. In the midst of all of this Modi chose to interact with the media and he said, "it is for the first time that NDA has had a pre-poll alliance with almost 30 parties". Yes, a whopping 30!

It is to note that 7 out of these 29 parties are contesting with zero seats, 10 of them are contesting with 1 seat each, 4 parties are contesting with 2 - 5 seats, 4 of them are contesting with 6 - 10 and only 4 parties are contesting with more than 10 seats.

To sum it up, the NDA is contesting in all of the 543 seats and in the 15th Lok Sabha (2009), it had won only 144 of these 543 seats. So if we are to believe that the NDA is winning the ongoing election, how relevant is it to presume that all of these parties are doubling the tally of 144? That too when the BJP is contesting in 423 seats, five less than the previous election. It is very important to mention here that the BJP (itself) could not even save deposit in 170 seats out of 428 it had contested in 2009.

The opinion polls suggest that the NDA will get a little over 200 seats. The opinion polls - that have always stood far away from the reality after every election and in fact have been proven exaggerated every time. But then, the 'Modi Wave' - didn't we agree to believe it? For the sake of it, let us believe the opinion polls too. Stretch NDA's best performance ever, since their inception, they will still hit the road-block at around Approximately 200. Alright, let us give them the benefit of doubt for another 20 seats. Still 52 short of the magic number of 272, to form the Government. So, even if the Modi Wave is for real, the NDA's previous numbers (144 in the current form) aren't doubling.
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