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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 24th April 2014 17:43
Salaams brothers.

For a while now, I've been contemplating applying for a senior position that I'm confident I can get. I've been encouraged by my peers to go for it too. It is an analyst position monitoring smart meters to ensure they're functionining properly and sending us readings back periodically.

However, the department is filled with more women than men and many of them are shameless sisters who're very loud spoken, dress very inappropriately and love interacting on a social level with everyone. I adhere to the Islamic Shari'ah ruling of seperating from the opposite gender. I don't look, speak and go near the opposte gender unless it is necessary even then I try to limit eye contact. The position, I'm in now, I can pretty much mind my own business most of the time and Alhamdulillah, the pay is more than enough to maintain my living. I'm hardly approached and only speak to my female seniors when it's strictly work related.

The pay increase is quite high and is tempting, but I feel, I'll be compromising my Imam if I do as you're never left alone, have to attend many meetings and even travel from one office to another at times. I've been advised to safeguard my Iman as my income will become haram and that hayah is apart of Imam and compromising it means compromising your faith.

Please advise respected brothers and I'd only like to be advised by brothers.

Jazak'Allah.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 24th April 2014 18:24
Protecting your Imam is much more valuable and important than more money at the cost of possiblly putting your haya in danger...
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 24th April 2014 18:56
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Salaams Hafiz-ji.

Yes, of course. It's hard to resist when you're being taunted so often.

Shaitan puts in one's mind we can err on the side of caution by ensuring damage control i.e. not to look or talk to them as much, but ultimately it's our life-choices that determines how strong our Iman is because it's a sacrifice for the sake of Allah. I guess I just need a wee bit of encouragement.

Curse of Allah be upon Iblees.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 24th April 2014 19:01
salaam

is it even allowed to work alongside the opposite gender (especially those who are shameful and unislamic) if you have an alternative? and should people who work alongside women due to necessity actively look for other employment?
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 24th April 2014 19:30
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There are things that beyond our control, akhi. Which, is why, I've been advised to always keep repeating astagfirullah whilst at work during break and lunch intervals and when finished. Allah knows when you indulged intentionally and yet reluctantly.

May Allah give us the will power to control our gaze and nafs.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 24th April 2014 22:02

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W-Salam,

I have been noticing some very strange claims in your questions and I am unsure which Scholars you consult? I would like to know as to who advised you of the following two Mas'ail:

  1. Your income becomes Haram if you work with Ghair-Mehram women?
  2. Your Salah is invalid when you pray in the same room as Ghair-Mehram women?

We are not discussing appropriate/inappropriate or better/not better but your wordings in your questions has been pretty specific.

Jazkallahu Khayran

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 24th April 2014 22:20
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W/S respected brother.

It wasn't scholars whom I consulted. It was some brothers who told me at work who were making excuses for not coming to salah when we invited him then awhile later the issue came up of how certain brothers were playing pool and having dinner with Muslim sisters in the canteen - this is where a brother strangely mentioned directly working or doing business with Ghair-Mehram women will result in your income being haram. I always had my doubts.

May Allah increase our knowledge base.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 24th April 2014 22:51

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W-Salam,

Ameen.

Interaction with Ghair-Mehram women should be severely curtailed, restricted and controlled, however it DOES NOT make your income Haram as these are two separate issues altogether. At work you should focus on professional matters and work issues and discharge your duties to the utmost of your availability and make Astaghfaar on your shortcomings.

If you work in Pakistan or Middle East (barring non-professional work in Saudia) you will be dealing with women at shopping centres, colleges, universities and work and the work environment is no different i.e. women dress up, do makeup and flirt etc

In UK in Masajid, universities, Islamic socities even practising Muslims (unfortunately) flirt so being a Hijabi or a man with Beard is no guarentee to escape from this menace!

Now coming to your specific scenarios:

  1. Khalwa (seclusion with Ghair-Mehram) woman without a third person being present is CATEGORICALLY HARAM so if your promotion will place you in a situation where you will be travelling ,staying, attending meetings on a 1-2-1 basis then you shouldn’t go for it and abstain from the matter. If your concern is about interaction with Gahir-Mehram women then write up a detailed synopsis of what your promotion will entail and then consult Shaykh (Maulana) Zahir Mahmood (HA) as you have on other matters and seek his advice; without knowing the specifics of your job no comments can be made.

Jazakallahu Khayran

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 24th April 2014 22:56

The reason I have said this 3 times is because knowing people; somebody will send an email, text or WhatsApp saying that "Muadh Khan" advises new Muslims to interact with Ghair-Mehram women and for men/women to pray in the same room therefor:

  1. He is a Qadiyani (or some deviant) in the form of Deobandi
  2. His blog should be avoided
  3. And some Hazrat will actually sign this Fatwa

:P

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 26th April 2014 01:49
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Salaams respected brother.

Jazak'Allah for the sound advise and clarifying the loose ends. Much appreciated.

May Allah grant you a home in Jannah Al-Firdaus next to Ali (RA).
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