W-Salam xs11ax,
What exactly are your concerns? Is it about vaccination (the concept) in general? Is it about Haram ingredients in them?
You shouldn't vaccinate willy-nilly but rely on sound medical advice and efficacy of the treatment (like you do with any other medical treatment like Hip replacement, Back surgery etc).
There are a number of problems in both of your posts.
Problem 1:
You have told me to clam down and you have asked me to tone down my voice and now you are telling me to respect Sisters. I havn't done any of this; all I have done is disagreed with you and I will continue to do so. It has nothing to do with respect; if you think that you have been disrespecting report the Administrator (Maulana Yasin) and ask him to look at the discussion but you have no reason to lie and accuse just because people are disagreeing with you.
Your statement:
But I do thank those who insult me, slander me in such cheap and childish ways, while not having any idea about who i am, do me actually a very big favor which will pay bag enormous on the Day of qiyamaat.
May Allah (SWT) give you and your family the best of success in this world and the next (Ameen) but nobody is slandering you but you won't be able to get away with stories; publish a Novel or write a drama if you want.
Problem 2:
You have claimed to be a Nurse but you have no scientific background and no technical knowledge so Islam DEMANDS that you don’t speak about matters which you have no knowledge of. If you have knowledge then speak properly otherwise don’t MISGUIDE people with your badly written ideas!
This is Islam!
Problem 3:
You have quoted the research of Dr Abdel Majid Katme (UK) so consider these facts:
Problem 4:
You claim to be a Nurse and this is what you post:
My son had skin problems and screamed for no reason after he had his vitaim K routine shots
You really have very problems if you think that a child won't cry if he is given an INJECTION!
Problem 5:
You claim to be a Nurse and you post stories after stories after stories with no scientific data or evidence so one question for you.
What about people who have had the same problems before vaccinations throughout history? Why did they have these diseases? People's children passed away, born disabled had special needs in year 1000 (for example) why was that? There were no vaccinations around? What caused their issues?
Here is a history of life expectency (worldwide):
Explain to me as to why people are living longer now because they are being vaccinated in the thousands?
Remember: You have claimed to be a Nurse to give professional answers.
You are my Brother in Islam so ask anything you like and if you believe that I have skipped something please feel free to point it out but then Justice demands that you apply the same principles to yourself and I leave that between you and Allah (SWT).
Question: Are you an advocate for vaccination?
This question tells me that you don't really understand the issue at heart. Vaccination is a form of treatment like Tylenol (USA) or Paracetamol (UK) its not a form of an Islamic Aqeedah which a person can be for or against!
Nobody is going to take Tylenol (USA) or Paracetamol (UK) just because they want to OR force it on others. Its a treatment so if a competent medical professional advocates that I need it and there is no Haram in it I use it.
I neither advocate vaccination nor refute it; just like with any other medical treatment.
Question: Do you or anyone in your family get vaccinated?
I have been to Hajj and my children are at School so when its required by law and based on information by Doctors (Muslims and Non-Muslims) they are vaccinated.
Question: I would like to know because I don't know which side your on?
Again its an issue of Taqleed or Aqeedah which I need to take sides on! If I get into an accident and I am dying then Doctors will try to save my life with "appropriate treatment" and when I am conscious they will tell me to make a decision on "Treatment A" or "Treatment B". There is no side to take; whatever is Halal and best for me I will do. If my life needs to be saved then it needs to be saved.
Where did you get this idea of sides on vaccination? How is vaccination any different to any other medical treatment? Do you ask every Muslim before any other treatment as to which side they are on?
Additional question: Alhemdulillah, i have never vaccinated any of my kids and they are all fine mashallah?
What about hundreds of thousands of Muslims who are vaccinated and are fine? Does your ONE experience OUT-WEIGH theirs? I know that you know English well enough to understand the ramifications of your statement.
Additional question: If the vaccine is completely herbal and organic and can be guaranteed then it shouldn't be a problem?
Where did you get the idea that completely herbal and organic ingredients have no side-effects. It not only goes against science and logic but also goes against Islam. Drink too much milk from a perfectly fine animal (organic) and you don't think you will have any side-effects? Where did you get that from???
I agree with that but where did I claim that vaccination being the only factor?
Sister is claiming: Vaccines cause all sorts of diseases and death
Facts: Vaccines are more popular now then previously and YET those diseases (Polio, Chicken Pox etc) are either eradicated (in many parts of the world) or substantially decreased or treated (with success).
Think: Surely if vaccinations cause (Polio, Chicken Pox etc) and even SIDS then babies would be dying left, right and centre in the west because vaccination is mandatory here and rates of these diseases are lower.
What she claims makes no logical sense whatsoever!
Wherever that is, Sister.
In your country there must be some common medicine which people take for fever, headaches etc. They don’t pop those tablets because they feel like it BUT they take it if they need to and then quit (under medical advice) OR get their fever treated some other way.
Vaccination is a form of prophylaxis which (like any other form of medicine) has its pros and cons. Some of them are “Halal (as far as ingredients are concerned”, while some are moderately effective (scientific), some are rushed through clinic trials (e.g. swine flu vaccine) due to urgency.
The research which is being quoted from the Sister is STUPID, OLD, OUTDATED, RIDCOLOUS and BOGUS.
It is perfectly reasonable to take a stance against a particular vaccine because its efficacy is disputed or long term effects not established or ingredients may be Haram.
It is NOT OK to quote things like my baby was vaccinated with K1 and it died of SIDS because there are over 4,000 members on this forum alone and many of their babies had K1 injections and their babies are living fine.
I listen to Cii (Radio) sometimes and I am aware of many of the conspiracy theories which they indulge in and I guess people have a right to have an opinion and so do you as long as restrict your opinion to your lands (e.g Africa) and don't force it down my throat when I pretty well what goes in my vaccines and its clear and I also don't see babies DYING in my country!
There is no such thing as "Pro-Vaccine" or "Anti-Vaccine" any more then someone being "Pro-Paracetamol" or "Anti-Paracetamol"
Its just a treatment, take it under advisement and its effective use it and if it isn't or has associated risks then weigh the risks.
Its simple as that...
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