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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 11:31
Errr, how about hadith that people who doesn't receive Islam message properly will be tested in Akhirah, Allah will command them to jump to fire from the neck of hell, if the person jumps the fire is cool and he is saved in Akhirah --- if he refused to jump then he will not be saved....
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 11:39
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Allahu Alum, but if we were to ask a scholar, he may say that this Hadith was only applicable back in those days where the message was unheard of.

Today, that is not possible. EVERYONE knows about Islam.

Even the ABORIGINIES!

Did you know that the Muslims had helped the Aborigine's before the British went to Australia? Did you know that the Aborigine's would give Adhan at the time of burial as this was something they saw Muslims doing before normal Salah?

Islam is in every corner of the World, So Allah knows best if that Hadith is still applicable in this day age.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 12:33
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Today, that is not possible. EVERYONE knows about Islam.


True Allahu a'lam, but "knows" don't always equal "knows properly"....

Unfortunately in this modern world where you can reach Islam by a click, some people are just not blessed with curiosity to know "what is actually ISlam?" and just swallowed everything from the media propaganda.

They are closet to what we'll say kaafir, but some people (i.e. Aborigins as you told) received the message of Islam way too partially it's as if they never received Islam at all other than what they perceived superficially. I read once about a pagan tribe in Borneo who lived in a very isolated jungle, but their mantra was started with Basmallah then their pagan one. Seemed like a thousand years ago some muslim traders stopped by in here, but they didn't really teach these tribes Islam.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 12:33

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Allah (SWT) revealed upon Sayyidina Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) that there will be people who will have a disease in their heart and they will hanker after verses which are ambigous (Mutashabihat) and leave alone verses which are clear (Muhkamat):

[3:7] He is the One who has revealed to you the Book (the Qur‘an). Out of it there are verses that are Muhkamat (of established meaning), which are the principal verses of the Book, and some others are Mutashabihat (whose definite meanings are unknown). Now those who have perversity in their hearts go after such part of it as is mutashabih, seeking (to create) discord, and searching for its interpretation (that meets their desires), while no one knows its interpretation except Allah; and those well-grounded in knowledge say: .We believe therein; all is from our Lord.. Only the men of understanding observe the advice.

This brother has ignored the clear verse of the Qur'aan as follows:

[2:161] Indeed, those who disbelieved and died while they were disbelievers, upon them is the curse of Allah, and of angels, and of all human beings together,

Since he has to come up with some sort of an excuse for his usage of ambigous verses he is then making three further catastrophics errors:

  1. Error 1: Equating Nelson Mandela who is a well known, well read personality to someone who perhaps lived an isolated life and has not heard of Islam
  2. Error 2: Ignoring many friends and companions of Nelson Mandela who were Muslims such as:
    1. Ahmed Katharda
    2. Amina Cachalia
    3. Yusuf Cachalia (her husband)
  3. Error 3: Nelson Mandela lived in South Africa where he most certainly knew about Islam and Muslims to the extent that Shaykh (Maulana) Ebraheem Bham (HA) spoke at his funeral!

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Therefore his stance, his logic (and subsequently deduction) is illogical! When it comes to Nelson Mandela we trust South African Ulamah who are local to him and knew more about him and they say:

Death of Mandela or death of Imaan?

It is perhaps more a statement of my own arrogance and weak spiritual condition, instead of that of others, that I often react with incredulity to some people’s views. Is that not obvious? Do they not know what the Qurān says? How can they believe that?

These reactions of mine display a lack of patience far from the Sunnah. If Allāh has granted me some understanding of His Speech and that of His Rasūl  صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم , I should be patient enough to explain to those who have drawn their own conclusions as opposed to drawing guidance from Allāh and His Rasūl صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم , but really, it is so difficult! On the other hand, those who have knowledge, and deliberately distort Allāh’s Word for their own material gain, are no better than Jewish Pharisees in my eyes. In fact they are worse. They have been admitted into the best Ummah and have knowledge of the best scripture and yet walk in the footsteps of Rabbis.

 

Reaction to the death of Nelson Mandela

Since the death of Nelson Mandela, I am overcome with grief, not at his death, but at the dangerous reaction from certain quarters. Rather than mourn over Mandela. I grieve over statements from Muslims which contradict the Qurān they are supposed to follow, and to put it lightly, such contradictions surely have a negative effect on one’s Īmān.

Muslims have been texting messages such as:

  • May Allāh grant him Jannatul Firdaws.
  • May Allāh accept his good and forgive him.
  • May he rest in peace.
  • Etc.

Moreover, a South African politician not only sings his praises at the Jumu‘ah platform, but expects the ‘Ulamā to toe his line.

But what is Allāh’s reaction?

Allāh’s reaction is known. I earnestly beg all Muslims who have held an opinion contrary to the Word of Allāh to sincerely and immediately repent. How possibly can any of the above statements and praising one who died denying Allāh be at all justified when Allāh says:

إن الذين كفروا وماتوا وهم كفار أولئك عليهم لعنة الله والملائكة والناس أجمعين. خالدين فيها لا يخفف عنهم العذاب ولا هم ينظرون

Verily those who disbelieved and died as disbelievers then upon such be the curse of Allāh, the angels and all mankind. May they be forever in it [the curse or Hell]. Punishment will not be lightened for them and they will not be granted respite. [al-Baqarah: 161-2]

Allāh is clear that:

  • Those who die as disbelievers are under His curse.
  • The angels also curse him.
  • As opposed to the politician who said that what happens in the grave is not under discussion, only the good of Mandela, the rest of mankind who submit their opinions to Allāh curse those who die denying him. According to al-Imām al-Baghawī, the disbeliever will even curse himself.
  • Unlike a believer who can hope for eventual release, the disbeliever is punished forever. Allāh makes no distinction how good or bad he was.
  • There is no lightening of the punishment.
  • It is continuous with no respite.

How possibly does a slave then utter words contrary to the decree of Allāh? Such a slave must surely be unaware of what Allāh says, and will repent when he learns the truth. No doubt.      

Good deeds of disbelievers – Abū Ṭālib

Good deeds? Is there anyone on the face of the earth who can match the deeds of Abū Ṭālib who raised the orphan boy, Muḥammad bin ‘Abdillāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم , as if he were his own son since the age of 8? Which Muslim, living or dead, can claim to have a deed equal Abū Ṭālib’s protecting Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  for a decade when the Quraysh opposed him? These are not good deeds, these are GREAT deeds. Add to this that Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  loved him most intensely. The Qurān even testifies to the sadness of Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  that his beloved uncle never embraced Islām:

إنك لا تهدي من أحببت ولكن الله يهدي من يشاء وهو أعلم بالمهتدين

Verily you do not guide those whom you love, but it is Allāh who guides whom He wills. He knows best those deserving to receive guidance. [al-Qaṣaṣ: 56]

Yet when he died, Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  clearly said that he is to be in Hell. If good deeds were sufficient, then Abū Tālib would be destined for Jannah, not Hell. Let alone Mandela, the most pious of Muslims cannot match either his service to Islām, or the love Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  had for him. Yet he is condemned to eternal damnation.

Muṭ‘īm bin ‘Adī & Ibn Jad‘ān

Muṭ‘im bin ‘Adī was a distant uncle of Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم . Every Muslim should learn at least two of his amazing and unmatchable deeds:

  • When Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم   was exiled into the Glen of Abū Tālib and starved there for three years, Muṭ‘im bin ‘Adī helped terminate the boycott.
  • When the people of aṭ-Ṭāif brutally stoned Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم   and he had no physical refuge, it was Muṭ‘im bin ‘Adī who protected Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  and allowed him to return to Makkah.

Were I to live a million years, I would never be able to match either deed. Yet I thank Allāh for granting me Īmān, for despite my paucity of deeds and profusion of sin, I am an Ummatī of Muḥammad صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  unlike the disbeliever, Muṭ‘im bin ‘Adī.

‘Abdullāh bin Jad‘ān was legendary for his generosity and nobility of character. In fact, before Islām, Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  joined him in assisting  a trader who had been cheated by a prominent man of Makkah. Sadly today there are Muslim traders who are cheats. On one occasion alone, Ibn Jad‘ān imported 2000 camel-loads of wheat, honey and butter from Syria, not for trade, but he publicly invited all and sundry to come and eat from his food.

Again, I cannot match his one donation throughout my life, but what does Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  say about him? Al-Imām Muslim narrates:

عن عائشة قالت قلت يا رسول الله ابن جدعان كان في الجاهلية يصل الرحم ويطعم المسكين فهل ذاك نافعه قال لا ينفعه إنه لم يقل يوما رب اغفر لي خطيئتي يوم الدين

 ‘Aishah said, “O Rasulullāh! In the pagan time Ibn Jad‘ān used to maintain family ties and feed the poor. Will that benefit him?”

“No,” he replied, “For he never said, even a single day, ‘O my Rabb, forgive my sin on the Day of Reckoning.’”

I would further point out that the Muḥaddith, al-Imām an-Nawawī, labelled this Ḥadīth under, “Proof that good deeds do not benefit one who dies upon disbelief.” Some of us hold al-Imām an-Nawawī in greater regard than what we hold the politician who praises one who dies upon disbelief, at Jumu‘ah.

Condoling with disbelievers

Our neighbours have rights over us, even if they reject Allāh. This is what Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  taught us. Consoling them during their grief is but good character and fulfilling their right. This is not what I dispute. I dispute extending “good wishes” to the extent that we contradict the Qurān. I dispute praising a disbeliever in the house of Allāh.

Praising a disbeliever in the Masjid

The Masjid is established for the remembrance and praise of Allāh:

في بيوت أذن الله أن ترفع ويذكر فيها اسمه يسبح له فيها بالغدو والآصال

In houses which Allāh has commanded be erected and wherein His Name is mentioned and He is praised in them morning and evening. [an-Nūr: 36]

Allāh dislikes the praising of a sinner. Abū Ya‘lā, Ibn Ḥajar, Abū Nu‘aym and al-Bayhaqī record the Ḥadith narrated by Anas رضي الله عنه :

عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ ، قَالَ : قَالَ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : ” إِذَا مُدِحَ الْفَاسِقُ اهْتَزَّ لِذَلِكَ الْعَرْشُ ، وَغَضِبَ لَهُ الرَّبُّ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ

When an open sinner is praised the Throne shakes at that and Allāh Most Mighty and Majestic becomes angry.

How much more serious is it when the praise is in the Masjid, and how much worse than a sinner is one who died rejecting Allāh? The ploy that Islām acknowledges the achievements of disbelievers is only viable to those who cannot distinguish between a simple record of history and singing someone’s praise. Every Ḥadīth of Abū Ṭālib is a simple unbiased record of fact, whether that he did good, or that he is eternally condemned. Is there a single authentic narration of Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  singing his uncle’s praises after he died? Rather there is proof that that would have angered Allāh.

Is Islām compromised still Islām?

If the above gives the impression that I am advocating a hard-line hostile attitude to disbelievers, then I apologise, that was not my intention. By all means let us show the character of Rasūlullāh صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم  to them. We should condole, and a simple statement of acknowledging the historical record of a person’s deeds might also be in order, in a given context. Let us however pause and draw a breath, to ask ourselves if we have not overstepped the bounds when we offer opinions which contradict the Qurān. There might be scope in differing presentations when dealing with them, but if we compromise basic principles to appease disbelievers, where is the line drawn? Is the eventual product after compromise and yet more compromise still Islām?

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 12:42
Allah has ORDERED us to Die as Muslims.

Its in the Quran! Surah 3: Verse 102


Sahih International
O you who have believed, fear Allah as He should be feared and do not die except as Muslims [in submission to Him].

Muhsin Khan
O you who believe! Fear Allah (by doing all that He has ordered and by abstaining from all that He has forbidden) as He should be feared. [Obey Him, be thankful to Him, and remember Him always], and die not except in a state of Islam (as Muslims) with complete submission to Allah.

Pickthall
O ye who believe! Observe your duty to Allah with right observance, and die not save as those who have surrendered (unto Him)

Yusuf Ali
O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam.

Shakir
O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah with the care which is due to Him, and do not die unless you are Muslims.

Dr. Ghali
O you have believed, be pious to Allah with His true piety, and definitely do not die except as Muslims.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 12:56
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just for your info: i was reading the other day steve jobs father was a syrian muslim
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 12:56

Same goes for Princess Diana. Her life is good Dinner Gossip but unless and until someone brings forward proof we can't classify her as a Muslim. I used to live Stoke-Newington (London) when she died and they had Quraan Kahwanees all over the place when she died!

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 12:59
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It must've been the Turks or Barelwi's who did this for Diana! I still live there and didn't hear of this. Although there were many sympathizers!
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 13:01
Steve Jobs! Next thing we hear that Obama is already in Jannah!
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 13:09
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Barelwees (Pakistanees and Turks) connected with Shaykh Nazim in hackney!
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 13:10
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Yep, that explains it, Jazakallah.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2014 13:16
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That's one of the strangest thing I've ever heard.
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